Posted on 12/17/2007 1:20:45 PM PST by JOAT
Larry Bourbonnais, who was slightly wounded during last week's shootings at New Life Church, was ejected Sunday from the same church for alleged aggressive behavior.
"I took a bullet for members of this church," he was heard to shout as he was hustled out of the Colorado Springs worship complex by security guards.
The Rev. Brady Boyd said the church has petitioned for a restraining order against Bourbonnais, who tried to stop Matthew Murray's killing spree.
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I don't know any inside information about that church, so I don't know if there were indications that should have been picked up or if the leadership under Haggard was sound. It's a huge church for a city that size, so it must have something going for it.
Do you go there?
I do, and I know you are wrong. You take 10,000 average citzens in this country, you will get a few bad eggs. Just look occasionally at some of the stupid comments some Freepers make, it doesn’t mean we are all stupid. This church is rock solid, but going thru a time of testing. But scripture is very clear, judgement starts with Gods people. If God is willing to deal harshly with His church, in this case New Life, think of what He will do to the world...
I am larry’s son-in-law. I have been there through all of this and I as a person and a member of the family am outraged with the way NLC handled this. Instead of calling him him at some point in time throughout the week and saying “Hey Larry can you sit this one out” they did nothing until Sunday moring. How do I know this you ask per his request I had the mans phone the whole entire week. I have feilded calls from the media, his friends and family. Oddly enough I go through my notes and nothing from new life. I destincly remember make several calls to new life so Larry could talk to someone in the leadership. Not once did any of our messages get returned.
Monday night he went to the church and was acosted by a deacon. The deacon said “At this time of hightened security we would appriciate it if you didn’t say anything bad about the security staff.” which larry refused to lie about what happed. The deacon then grabbed larry’s left arm (the one he got shot in) and prceeded to yell at him. That was the last contact larry had with church until sunday morning.
Larry is a good christian and as a good christian he attends not only the services but sunday school before hand. He showed up early, as he does every Sunday, and spoke to his friends and went through the whole entire class with no interuption. At the end he walked to the sanctuary to attend the services. Before the man even had an oppertunity to sit down 13 men including 2 members of the colorado springs police department(there only by the reqeust of the leadership)man handled him out of the building.
I ask you do think that it should take 13 men to escort a calm 59 year old man outside? my answer.. absolutely not. Particularly a 59 year old man who had been shot a weeek before. As for the theory of larry being not asked to come. It’s kinda hard to ask someone not to come if you don’t talk to them. in fact if asked not to come he wouldn’t have. We could have gone to another church. Since we felt part of the healing proccess was going back to the place where everything happened, we went to church. At this point we are 98% sure that the church’s reasoning was because they din’t want larry to belittle the security that day. Which at no point in time has he ever doneand will he ever do. In all of the interveiws he gave not once did he he say anything negative to/about the 2 security gaurds. Mearly that he was unarmed and they weren’t shooting so he thought of something else that help distract him long enough for Ms. Assam to do what she did. I also revert to the interviews adn in every single one he praised Jeanne for being brave and doing what she did.
The point is that why would you kick a hero out of church. Better yet why would you kick a christian out of church? As of right now we may never find out. Pastor Brady Boyd says he’s been trying to call but no calls have come through. Will this be the same of trying to come to an amicable resolution? We will just have to wait and see.
The family only means to display its disgust for the church and the way they handled things. At no point in time do we want CSPD to catch any flack about this. They were mearly doing as the land owner asked for which we thank them for doing their jobs.
I know it is their side, so I am interested in hearing what the Church has to say...but I have to say, what Tobias relates sure sounds bad for the church. Unless there is something more (and there could be), along the lines of what I posted in my last response, it sure stinks to high heaven what they are doing to this man.
17 posted on 12/17/2007 4:52:22 PM CST by Jeff Head
Moving predictably is the best way to get shot by the perp.
Are you suggesting that Larry ended up advancing in front of the guards and he had to zig-zag back to them 'cause they were not advancing to the sound of the gunshots? He then had to leave them at their cover to take on the danger on his own?
It really isn't the pastor's job to run the church is it? At least by Biblical directions anyway. The pastor is supposed to spend his time in study and teaching. The Elders and board should do the work of management. IMO that is what is wrong with megachurches without denomination. The pastor takes over running the church and suddenly his ego takes over. Then the Elders and board become reluctant to disagree with anything he wants.
But I agree we should all be praying for all our churches.
“He ran behind one of the armed guards and started demanding his gun because the guard wasn’t shooting in every direction.”
The way I read it the guard didn’t even have his gun drawn. Sounds like a coward to me.
If you really think the way to stop an active shooter is for an unarmed civilian to run around swearing at him and trying to get a guard's gun, you might want to run that by a LE or security professional and get a second opinion.
NAU 1 Timothy 5:1 Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers,
As soon as I put on the tin foil hat I could see that there’s a conspiracy among the church leadership, the police and the church guards to pull off a massive cover up and that I should only listen to the nutburger who was escorted off the property ranting at the congregation. It’s all clear now.
NAU 1 Timothy 5:1 Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers,
There were no "rental cops" there. The security personel were volunteer church members.
This has been covered in the media ad nauseum and there is no excuse for repeating this disinformation.
That's odd. I've seen and heard a couple of interviews with this guy and he's seemed nothing but humble and respectful of all involved. He didn't seem to be trying to step in front of anybody's limelight.
Great answer, Theo. Some people forget, yes?
Reminds me of an old joke..
“Where do liars go?”
“They go to church.”
Thank God for His grace, and redemption, that gives ALL of us hope, not just the “real sinners”. :-)
Got a list of Lord’s churches there, do ya?
No tin foil is needed. It was obvious from the press conference Assam was being handled by the pastor. The 2 chiefs in attendance were quite careful about saying anything regarding Assam's action until the investigations were completed. That indicates that they were unwilling to back the pastor's story telling.
"I should only listen to the nutburger who was escorted off the property ranting at the congregation.
Bourbonnais didn't do any ranting. the pastor had been upset with him for criticising their failure to act during the assault. The pastor had the CSPD ready and at hand at the Sunday services to escort the guy out, as soon as he showed up. There was never any ranting. THe pastor was simply acting to undermine the man's credibility.
"It’s all clear now."
No, I don't believe it is to you. It doesn't appear that you are abile to recognize the concepts of feint, diversion, cover fire and flanking manuever. It also appears you mistake expertise, for ineptitude in novice CCW holding volunteers, and fail to note real expertise in the actions and claims of a combat vet. Nutburger my arse!
Sorry, to me this is a business folks
So much for brotherly love.
Good bye church. I bet a lot of people leave it over this.
Huh? The woman acted professionally and is a veteran police officer.
You forget, I have met Larry. He's a nut. And he's volatile, just like the pastor said.
You really don't know what you're talking about.
The Archdiocese of Colorado Springs had 136,814 members as of 2004. That's a lot more than 3000 (even with some wiggle room).
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