Posted on 12/15/2007 3:03:53 PM PST by DryFly
(12-14) 17:53 PST NAPA VALLEY -- A Napa Valley middle school's decision to bar a child from class last winter for wearing a pair of Tigger socks has proved costly.
The Napa Valley Unified School District is on the hook for at least $95,000 in lawyers' fees under a legal settlement announced Thursday between the district and five Napa families who challenged the school's dress code.
That's enough to pay the salaries of two teachers for a year, but it's only about a quarter of what the district would have had to pay if it went on to lose the Tiggergate lawsuit instead of settling.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
Wintertime, I know that you don't believe in government schools, but I also see that you don't believe learning can take place without a certain amount of discipline.
I might note that minors do not, and have never had, full civil rights, whether as public school students or as citizens. For instance, minors may not enter into binding contracts, marry without parental consent, vote, run for public office, etc.
If we do not allow minors full civil rights outside of school, I don't know why you think they should be allowed full rights within the schools. They are, as you are so fond of pointing out in other contexts, immature and naive in most cases.
Just so!
I’d say that is a rather democratic process,
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First Amendment Human Rights are not up for popular vote. They are an endowment from God.
It is not possible to have First Amendment Rights, freedom of conscience, and government schools occupying the same space and time. One has to go and one has to stay.
I vote in favor of the First Amendment, freedom of conscience and the complete privatization of universal K-12 schooling.
I am against the popular, democratic, mob voting to destroy the First Amendment Rights of their neighbors, and voting on what “colors” their neighbors can or can not wear.
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Amelia, this is a strawman argument. I did NOT, NOT, NOT ever say that discipline was unnecessary in a school!!!!
What am I supposed to do? Defend a argument of your creation? (As a professional that you are, I know that you would never, ever use this manipulative debating technique with an immature student.)
I have repeatedly stated that all education must and should be privatized, because the minute government schools open their doors they are trampling First Amendment Rights.
It is perfectly OK for any private business to restrict freedom, because they are willingly and freely chosen by the client. No private school or business is going to send out armed police and threaten imprisonment if a parent rejects their product or service.
Government schools are NOT freely chosen. They are compulsory and that means police power. The only exception is for the lucky parent who can ransom their child by paying private or home school expenses.
Neither can I.
Thankfully, the fundamental problem is being better understood. It is impossible to have freedom of conscience, First Amendment Rights of ( parents and children), and government schools.
Interesting argument. Unfortunately, it was lost over a hundred years ago.
They didn’t call it the “Prussian system” for nothing.
What the hell is this about?Is it because of you know what rhymes with Tigger?After the niggardly episode,anything’s possible these days.
I know you didn't, and I didn't say you did.
In fact, I quoted you as saying that discipline was necessary for learning, and later paraphrased that same statement.
In fact, I was agreeing with you that it IS necessary.
You love that line, don't you?
In fact, I was agreeing with you that it IS necessary.
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And,,,it is exactly for this reason that government MUST get out of the education business! How many different ways can I state or explain this?
Government schools, First Amendment Rights, and freedom of conscience can NOT breath the same air!
Solution: Privatize universal K-12 education!
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It is not a lost war.
Please read my tag line. “Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!”
I truly believe this. Once freedom is explained to people they understand it. The only people who don’t are people who get a paycheck ( directly or indirectly) from the government oppressors. Hm? When it comes to government schooling who would that be?
However...We are in a philosophical civil war with Marxism. Marxism is our nation’s most serious threat, and schools are its most important weapon. If the Marxists succeed in indoctrinating the next generation of voters, we may be looking a 1,000 year long Dark Ages.
It **is** that important! Why aren’t Sean and Rush hammering on this every day?
Pretty unusual for a private school, at least the ones around here. All of those I know of, particularly the most academically strong, have very strict uniform requirements.
The settlement, as I read the article, was $95K for the plaintiffs lawyers (ACLU) fees. No financial judgment for the families, who were merely trying to stir the pot, so to speak.
Cool, the kids have learned how to run a sting operation on the cops.
Now we're gettin' close to REAL justice.
With these you can make the case for safety, with Tigger socks you cannot.
Egads, that’s worse than I even thought.
I loathe the ACLU. That family is ridiculous as well.
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