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To: wintertime
You will see that the First Amendment, freedom of conscience, and government schooling are utterly incompatible. They can NOT occupy the same space at the same time.

Wintertime, I know that you don't believe in government schools, but I also see that you don't believe learning can take place without a certain amount of discipline.

I might note that minors do not, and have never had, full civil rights, whether as public school students or as citizens. For instance, minors may not enter into binding contracts, marry without parental consent, vote, run for public office, etc.

If we do not allow minors full civil rights outside of school, I don't know why you think they should be allowed full rights within the schools. They are, as you are so fond of pointing out in other contexts, immature and naive in most cases.

81 posted on 12/16/2007 4:13:12 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Amelia; metmom; JamesP81
Wintertime, I know that you don’t believe in government schools, but I also see that you don’t believe learning can take place without a certain amount of discipline.

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Amelia, this is a strawman argument. I did NOT, NOT, NOT ever say that discipline was unnecessary in a school!!!!

What am I supposed to do? Defend a argument of your creation? (As a professional that you are, I know that you would never, ever use this manipulative debating technique with an immature student.)

I have repeatedly stated that all education must and should be privatized, because the minute government schools open their doors they are trampling First Amendment Rights.

It is perfectly OK for any private business to restrict freedom, because they are willingly and freely chosen by the client. No private school or business is going to send out armed police and threaten imprisonment if a parent rejects their product or service.

Government schools are NOT freely chosen. They are compulsory and that means police power. The only exception is for the lucky parent who can ransom their child by paying private or home school expenses.

85 posted on 12/16/2007 4:26:18 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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