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Helen Thomas: Keep relgion out of politics
Sacramento Bee ^ | 12/14/7 | Helen Thomas

Posted on 12/14/2007 8:05:43 AM PST by SmithL

Let's keep religion out of the presidential campaign, if possible.

I say, to each his own. Let's rejoice that the founding fathers established a secular nation and that no one has to publicly defend his or her beliefs.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney -- put on the defensive because of his Mormon faith -- recently felt compelled to explain his religion to skeptical voters.

So he tore a page out of John F. Kennedy's 1960 campaign appearance before a group of Protestant ministers in Houston.

At the time, Kennedy, a Roman Catholic, had to dispel rumors that he would be taking orders from the Vatican if he won the presidency.

Kennedy assured the protestant clergy that the pope would have no place in his presidency. He won the day when he told the ministers that when his brother Joe Kennedy's plane disappeared over the English channel during World War II, no one asked what his religion was.

Last week, Romney delivered his religion speech at the George H.W. Bush Library at College Station, Texas, and pledged he would not allow any authorities of the Mormon church "exert influence" on his presidential decisions. "I will serve no one religion," he declared.

Romney is in a tough fight for the GOP presidential nomination with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a Baptist minister, and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

Huckabee is tough on illegal immigrants -- but in the past favored schooling for their children.

A conservative, Huckabee opposes abortion and, at one time, wanted to isolate HIV/AIDS patients. He also supports a federal ban on gay marriage and advocates teaching creationism alongside evolution in schools.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: asusualheleniswrong; dryupandblowaway; goawayhelen; helenthomas; liberalmeathead; publicsquare
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To: SmithL
Huckabee is tough on illegal immigrants -- but in the past favored schooling for their children.

Huckabee isn't "tough" on anyone, whether illegals or murderers. What he says now are just lies to get votes. History is prologue. If elected, Huckabee would push through the DREAM Act and amnesty in his first 100 days.

41 posted on 12/14/2007 8:46:15 AM PST by montag813
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To: dinoparty
What truly faithful man puts his country above his God?

I don't think it would be valid for anyone to say that a person's personal beliefs should not impact their decisions. (That would be dumb.). But I do believe that one Presidential candidate should refrain from making comments about another Presidential candidate's religion.

42 posted on 12/14/2007 8:46:33 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SmithL

If she was a horse, they’d have put her down by now...for cause.


43 posted on 12/14/2007 8:47:29 AM PST by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Deut28
Helen is proposing a religious litmus test - it goes like this "Are you an atheist or hold your non-athiest beliefs such that they would never inform your ethics, never be mentioned in polite company and certainly never affect the way you view reality? "

If you can answer yes then you pass the Helen religious litmus test, if No you are a unamerican, uneducated religious, bigot substantially the same as any other terrorist. Helen believes this liberal dogma with religious conviction.

44 posted on 12/14/2007 8:48:44 AM PST by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: steve-b
They've given the social right far more than its due these past years. Now, it's time for the fiscal conservatives to have a couple of decades in the driver's seat to undo the damage.

And likely, they'll be as successful as social conservatives have been in stemming the tide of perversion.

45 posted on 12/14/2007 8:49:07 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SmithL
Let's rejoice that the founding fathers established a secular nation

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Helen is clueless. The Founding Fathers didn't intend to establish a "secular nation", they intended that the government would not infringe on our right to worship as we see fit.

46 posted on 12/14/2007 8:49:29 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: lonestar67
Perhaps we will be spared the photos this morning.

You won't get that lucky...


47 posted on 12/14/2007 8:49:42 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Great post - absolutely correct.


48 posted on 12/14/2007 8:52:30 AM PST by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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To: DaveyB

You’re exactly right, and it’s a huge liberal blindspot. Everyone has religious beliefs, and all religious beliefs impact your decision making.

Atheism is a religion! I don’t know how the left continues to fail to recognize it. And it’s one of the most aggressive religions in trying to recruit new members.


49 posted on 12/14/2007 8:53:15 AM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Arrgghh.


50 posted on 12/14/2007 8:53:24 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TomServo
Looks like somebody at the Sac Bee needs a friggin’ dictionary.

...or an editor

51 posted on 12/14/2007 8:53:57 AM PST by SmithL (I don't do Barf Alerts, you're old enough to read and decide for yourself)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Ow!

That one hurt more than usual.


52 posted on 12/14/2007 8:54:36 AM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: dinoparty
“What truly faithful man puts his country above his God?”

Not to mention a man without faith thinks himself to be God. “Put not your faith in man?” And he who believes in nothing, will believe anything? I would also suggest, that most Americans want to at the very least know where the politician stands on faith. Shouldn’t we know for instance, if the pol is a muslim, who believes in sharia law?

53 posted on 12/14/2007 8:54:38 AM PST by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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To: cornelis

BTTT great points!


54 posted on 12/14/2007 8:55:17 AM PST by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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To: SmithL
Let's rejoice that the founding fathers established a secular nation and that no one has to publicly defend his or her beliefs.

Secular? I think if the "Mount Rushmore" gang were here, Helen would get a debate on that. I thought the Founders just didn't recognize any particular religious denomination as the State Religion? It's what I was taught, anyway.

That being said it wasn't a half-bad article until she regurgitated the Democrat issues at the very end, as if they were the only legitimate campaign issues.

55 posted on 12/14/2007 8:55:55 AM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: MEGoody

Such restraint is the American way, I agree. It probably helps keep the country united and decreases the likelihood of religious conflict. It is also “civil”.

But my question still remains. Why would a man of faith choose politics, if in so doing he must restrain his faith? Moreover, if a man’s faith teaches that he is obliged to share such faith and correct those in error, why would the dictates of civility take precendence over this duty?


56 posted on 12/14/2007 9:01:03 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: Little Ray

Same for the schools...


57 posted on 12/14/2007 9:07:58 AM PST by PubliusMM (Just doin' my best to stay free and secure. God Bless our military personnel.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Proof positive...the former Liar-in-Chief will do anything in a dress.


58 posted on 12/14/2007 9:08:58 AM PST by PubliusMM (Just doin' my best to stay free and secure. God Bless our military personnel.)
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To: dinoparty
...Why would a man of faith choose politics, if in so doing he must restrain his faith? Moreover, if a man’s faith teaches that he is obliged to share such faith and correct those in error, why would the dictates of civility take precendence over this duty?...

Maybe because he believes that the kingdom of Christ extends to every institution including the civil magistrate. He knows that real liberty and prosperity are maximized when God's law is rightfully used in society. While trying to implement the law of God his methods are constrained by that same law (i.e. no proselytizing by the sword or by unjust taxing etc.).

59 posted on 12/14/2007 9:15:26 AM PST by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: SmithL

Rick Donaldson: Keep Helen Thomas out of images, and out of journalism!


60 posted on 12/14/2007 9:15:37 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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