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Angels are created beings and have NO brothers. They were not born of a woman, but were created by God.
1 posted on 12/13/2007 12:10:34 AM PST by tessalu
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To: tessalu

I’m gonna say no.


2 posted on 12/13/2007 12:13:32 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: tessalu

Yep, he was an angelic being, not the only begotten Son of God. But humans can be heirs of God, and joint heirs of Christ through his atonement. But its tough for people to believe that, because they have been so conditioned by the their corrupt nature that blinds them to their real potential through grace and redemption.


3 posted on 12/13/2007 12:18:23 AM PST by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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To: tessalu

No

This may be a new campaign debate, but it is a very OLD heresy.

Jesus is God, the third person of the Trinity.

Satan is an angel, created by God and cast out of heaven. He is in rebellion and has lost the war. It is finished.


4 posted on 12/13/2007 12:19:52 AM PST by Jemian
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To: tessalu

This is an area that should not be tread in US politics. There is no religious test required to hold public office nor SHOULD voters use it to select a candidate. I certainly don’t desire the US to be broken up into areas that select candidates because of their religion. It hasn’t done a lot of good for Iraq nor will it do any good for the USA. If a candidate is moral (average American morals) then I don’t care what religion they follow.


5 posted on 12/13/2007 12:24:08 AM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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I sort of suspect they mean in a spiritual rather than a physical sense.

The real issue here is not the Mormons view of Satan, its their view of Jesus.


7 posted on 12/13/2007 12:32:41 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: tessalu

People who obsess about this kind of stuff, really need to get a new hobby.


8 posted on 12/13/2007 12:33:55 AM PST by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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We ALL know (or SHOULD know) that Jesus was the ONLY begotten SON of God. But below (with reference) is what the Mormon Church ITSELF has had to say on the matter. Gov. Huckabee has only asked if it was true. It is being taken out of context. The Mormon Church needs to explain itself. Not the other way around. The only mistake Huckabee did was in apologizing!

Read on:
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Please note what Mormon prophets and church officials have had to say about the matter. From their writings it is clear that they believed and taught that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers.

Bruce R. McConkie, in his work The Mortal Messiah, Vol.1, Pg.407-408 under the heading “ Lucifer and the Law of Temptation” has the following to say;

“Hence, there is — and must be — a devil, and he is the father of lies and of wickedness. He and the fallen angels who followed him are spirit children of the Father. As Christ is the Firstborn of the Father in the spirit, so Lucifer is a son of the morning, one of those born in the morning of preexistence. He is a spirit man, a personage, an entity, comparable in form and appearance to any of the spirit children of the Eternal Father. He was the source of opposition among the spirit hosts before the world was made; he rebelled in preexistence against the Father and the Son, and he sought even then to destroy the agency of man. He and his followers were cast down to earth, and they are forever denied mortal bodies. And he, here on earth, along with all who follow him — both his spirit followers and the mortals who hearken to his enticements — is continuing the war that commenced in heaven.”

Joseph Fielding Smith Jr.,the LDS prophet, wrote in his work, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, Pg.218 -Pg.219
“We learn from the scriptures that Lucifer — once a son of the morning, who exercised authority in the presence of God before the foundations of this earth were laid — rebelled against the plan of salvation and against Jesus Christ who was chosen to be the Savior of the world and who is spoken of as the ‘Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.’” In the Discourses of Brigham Young, on Pg.53-54 he lets it be known that Lucifer is the second son, the one known as “Son of the Morning.”

“Who will redeem the earth, who will go forth and make the sacrifice for the earth and all things it contains?” The Eldest Son said: “Here am I”; and then he added, “Send me.” But the second one, which was “Lucifer, Son of the Morning,” said, “Lord, here am I, send me, I will redeem every son and daughter of Adam and Eve that lives on the earth, or that ever goes on the earth.”

12 posted on 12/13/2007 12:40:09 AM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (We stand firm with the President and the troops, We never waver. We don't support terrorists!)
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Who Jesus Christ is, is far more important than who the next president will be.
13 posted on 12/13/2007 12:43:49 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: tessalu

“Don’t damn me, bro!”


15 posted on 12/13/2007 12:48:26 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: tessalu
EXACTLY RIGHT

The truth is a mighty powerful thing. Amen

20 posted on 12/13/2007 1:10:26 AM PST by Picklezz (A very Merry Christmas to all -OUT with Season's Greetings and Happy Holidays)
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To: tessalu

I think this whole Huckabee-Romney thing got old before it started. Huckabee moved up in the polls and forced Romney into making a play and giving a speech. Romney was courting evangelical votes and for him now to turn and say it is wrong to ask questions about his faith, is insincere.

When you give a speech that basically says, “I believe relatively the same as you do”, well, expect some questions. I don’t bother myself to even weigh information about things like Huckabee asked of Romney. This is being made complicated when it is not. It all begins and ends with the prophets of any particular belief system. If Mohammed or Joseph Smith or L Ron Hubbard are telling the truth, that is the main point of consideration. If their prophecies are found lacking and false, then so too most likely are the respective dominations/religions connected to them. I have an opinion on all three, but that is for you to decide, not I.


24 posted on 12/13/2007 1:38:58 AM PST by WildcatClan (Vote Hunter for President)
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Many Mormons are giddy because they have Mitt running for Prez, but it's the worst thing that could have happened for them. While Mitt doesn't have a chance of winning, his running is the WORST thing, not the best, that could have happened for the LDS Church. Now, they are defending why they believe Jesus is a brother of Satan. Next, they'll be defending why they believe that God did not create the universe, but is just one of many gods...and how men can become gods...etc., etc., etc.,

This kind of publicity will NOT win the LDS Church any converts and will only hasten their ultimate demise. At some point, the LDS Church will have to denounce their "strange" doctrines or implode.

25 posted on 12/13/2007 1:46:27 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

They sought to stone Yeshua (Jesus) both times for blasphemy, for saying that He was indeed Yahweh (God) manifested in the flesh.
No, Satan is not "the brother" of Jesus, not even in spirit, as I understand the Bible. It's literally like comparing apples to oranges.

28 posted on 12/13/2007 1:57:17 AM PST by philman_36
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Satan Jesus’ brother? What a stupid concept. Jesus is the Creator, not the creation of anybody. Satan can’t create squat.

Meanwhile, we who believe are joint-heirs with Christ, the inheritors of all things. By the grace of the Lord, we are the Sons of God. If anybody is Jesus’ brother, it’s a believer- not the enemy.


34 posted on 12/13/2007 2:43:15 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Hunter is ignored by the MSM for a reason.)
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Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Michael the Archangel is Jesus.
(Scroll down about 2/3 of the way).
35 posted on 12/13/2007 2:49:40 AM PST by syriacus (J. Bolton : "The world has put Iran on notice that it must stop pursuing nuclear weapons." (6/2003))
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Now the story of Jesus 40 days in the wilderness is going to have to be updated...

“Hey don’t tempt me bro...”


36 posted on 12/13/2007 2:50:39 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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Real question is, did man originate on Kolob? LDS theology is a lot like science fiction.


41 posted on 12/13/2007 3:03:16 AM PST by damondonion
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I understand the objections to Mr. Romney's chosen theology. But, I can't support a candidate who would attack another's religious beliefs like this... Not in America where there is such a thing as Freedom of Religion. I don't think this will be good at all for Huckabee, even if the majority of Christians, and/or the majority of his supporters do agree with his theological beliefs. As for an ability to attract moderate or liberal voters.

If the Republican Party selects a candidate for President that makes religion such a huge issue like Huckabee does I don't believe they have much chance at attracting enough swing voters to secure the office, frankly. Not when the general public are so concerned about the War on Terror and may be afraid to elect a candidate who is so openly talks about religion and makes it an issue. They are looking for well-reasoned leadership -- not a holy warrior. As for campaigning against Romney -- there are many, many other objections one can bring up that would show him to be an unsuitable candidate without even touching on religion... Starting with the 2nd Amendment...
44 posted on 12/13/2007 3:11:59 AM PST by LibertyRocks
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Ezekiel 28:12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, ‘ Thus saith the LORD GOD:

Thou sealest up the *sum*, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13. Thou has been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold; the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in the in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of GOD; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou was created,

till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise thy have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned;

therefore I will cast thee as profaned out of the mountain Of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart (pride) was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:

I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings,

that they may behold thee.

18 Thou has defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, buy the iniquity of thy traffick;

therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee,

and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of allll them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Satan, Lucifer, king of Tyre, king of Babylon, devil, destroyer, serpent, tree of the knowledge of good and evil, accuser, are just some of the names/types this entity has been allowed to play.

46 posted on 12/13/2007 3:20:38 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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yep! this is just the kind of thing I want politicians talking about. I mean it’s not like they should be talking about reducing the federal government’s bloated beauracracy, cutting taxes, making government and politicians accountable or fixing social security. I’m just glad they’re spending time and energy on the important stuff-stuff that politicians are elected to do.


47 posted on 12/13/2007 3:45:48 AM PST by mrmargaritaville
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