Posted on 12/10/2007 7:12:18 AM PST by jan in Colorado
Police in Colorado on Monday were looking into possible links between shootings at a Christian evangelical church and a missionary training center over the weekend that left four victims and a gunman dead.
A man dressed in black, wearing combat boots and holding an assault rifle and at least one handgun, opened fire in the parking lot of the vast evangelical New Life church in Colorado Springs after Sunday services, killing one person on the spot and wounding others. A second person died later, police said.
A security guard shot and killed the gunman, Colorado Springs Police Chief Richard Myers told a news conference.
Police did not identify the gunman. There were about 7,000 people in the building when the shooting erupted, a pastor said.
In an incident about 12 hours earlier and 70 miles away, a man entered a Christian missionary training center in the Denver suburb of Arvada and killed two young missionaries with a handgun shortly after midnight, police said.
The Arvada gunman, also dressed in dark clothing, fled on foot in the snow.
The attacks -- both at Christian religious buildings on a Sunday shortly before Christmas -- caused shock and dismay.
They came just four days after a 19-year-old man killed eight people and then himself with an assault rifle at a busy shopping mall in Omaha, Nebraska.
Police in the two Colorado cities were sharing information but there was no indication of the motive in either case.
"We have not been able to identify a motive as of yet," Colorado Springs police spokesman Skip Arms told CNN.
While Myers said there was no information that the attacks were related, Arvada Police Chief Don Wick said there could be a connection.
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So you are saying that we shouldn’t make a murdering POS famous by giving his identity, even though said POS is dead and no thus longer able to gain any satisfaction from seeing his name in print?
What’s the point?
Michael Frazier
I agree. Actually, in this case, the media, at least locally has been giving a good amount of information and they have given everything they’ve gotten from the police, which hasn’t been that much. Many of us listen to scanners routinely and get a lot more than the media passes out, but also more than the cops give to the media.
Technically, by law, it’s not legal to give information we hear on scanners so I hesitate to do that ever. Plus, I’m an FCC licensed amateur radio operator and wouldn’t want to risk doing something that gives them cause to yank my license.
I will say that much of what is being reported is as accurate as it can be, but there are things the police haven’t yet given the media, that you can’t blame the media for (Not you From, others!)
“Again, the killer’s identity when determined should be kept quiet.
This person was obviously motivated by all the endless publicity given to the NE dirtbag and all the exhaustive MSM coverage about the dirtbag’s life, and turmoil, and feelings, etc.
The NE murderer’s stated purpose was to become famous - and the MSM did his bidding.
The filth who do this should remain nameless and faceless - nonentities in life, they should be even more so in death.”
Even if he’s of Arabic descent? Just asking.
Part of the motivation of spree killers is their belief that going on a murder spree will make them famous. The dirtbag murderer in NE made this quite clear. Other similar losers have bragged that their acts will "finally make people pay attention" to them or will show their alienated family, friends or coworkers what their imagined cruelty has done.
They see how the Columbine murderers and the Virginia Tech murderer and other similar detritus have not only had days and weeks of continuous media coverage, but that they have become cultural reference points.
Part of a spree killer's motivation is to do something which he believes will guarantee him the fame and attention that he has unfairly been deprived of.
If such scumbags saw that news organizations and cultural commentators ignore the murderers, give them no attention, do not broadcast their photos or videos, or disseminate their letters and manifestos, but simply cosnider them to be anonymous nobodies, most of the appeal that spree killing holds for the demented is gone.
In Colorado (I live here) property owners can post a no firearms sign. Many stores and shopping malls are posted. The Missionary School had a no firearms policy per the Rocky Mountain News article. If you are licenced to carry a concealed firearm you can be asked to leave a posted property, but not charged. If you refuse to leave the property you can be charged with trespassing.
Obviously, good reportage requires revealing whether the incident was a random act by a disturbed individual, or a planned attack by a disturbed religion.
Maybe, but I doubt that that these deviants are in touch with reality enough for it to matter.
You do have a point, though.
Michael Frazier
I don't have any firsthand knowledge, but the pastor of the church stated she is a volunteer, a member of the congregation, and when asked if she is a police officer, he stated she has law enforcement background. So, technically, I consider her a citizen rather than a hired security guard.
Regardless of her title, she is a hero and saved a lot of lives yesterday.
WOW. I didn't know that. Let's hope that now that the DemocRATS are in the majority, that doesn't change. I'm happy to hear that Colorado actually abides by the second amendment!
***I see that now they’re saying he was home schooled in a very religious family.***
I won’t believe that until the family says so.
It could easily have ended up like another Virginia Tech.
Gun free zones are very dangerous.
We can not allow gun grabbers to be elected to office!
Armed teachers need to be at every school. At this point, schools are a huge target.
Once Israel armed their teachers, attacks on schools stopped... Immediately.
Security guard is a female with law enforcement experience who is a member of the church, and provides security on a volunteer basis. Actually provides security for the senior pastor, and was in civilian clothes. She was also on-gaurd as a result of the shooting at YWAM.
Crystal balls are typically used for prognostication, not the preterite.
Ping.
Mickelson says the shooting was cut short by a "volunteer, unpaid, female security guard".
Mickelson says in the midst of the usual suspects already calling on presidential candidates to speak out for gun control, we have this demonstration of the proper use of the Second Amendment and "good old American common sense".
He again addressed the fact that these shooters select "gun-free zones" for their sites.
Note that Tancredo is currently running radio ads regarding the dangers of open borders extending to the terrorist attacks in "London and Russia"--that would be Beslan.
Schools, malls, churches--
Seen by murderous scum of all stripes as free-fire zones, game preserves, neon lights advertising "High Body Count Here"--
The point was raised by a caller and admitted to by the host that if there be a posted sign prohibiting concealed carry on the premises it makes any carrier subject to loss of right to carry.
Hence, in my view, the proper question of candidates is what will you do to facilitate the rapid dispatch of killers--
The correct answer is not "eat donuts until the shooter kills himself"--
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