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Boy's mauling death, other human-bear encounters brings call for more hunting permits
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 12/07/2007 | Patty Henetz

Posted on 12/07/2007 10:06:37 AM PST by george76

Bears that barge in on people in the forest have become enough of a nuisance that more of them should be hunted, state wildlife managers have decided.

The Utah Division of Wildlife Resources, responding to a spike in human-bear contacts and an 11-year-old boy's death in June, want to issue 296 black bear hunting permits for Utah's 2008 spring and fall hunts, a 20 percent increase from the 248 permits offered this year.

DWR officials say the state's black bear population is high enough to warrant the permit increase. Wildlife managers also say bears and humans clashed too many times in 2007 not to take some kind of action in areas where the worst damage occurred.

The Division of Wildlife Resources this year recorded 202 bear incidents - that is, bear encounters that pose a potential threat to public safety. That's nearly double the total from the previous three years combined.

But wildlife advocates and bear biology experts ...

(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: animalrights; ar; banglist; bear; bearattack; bearattacks; bearhunting; bearpopulation; bears; blackbear; blackbearattack; blackbears; dow; dwr; g79; hunting; ives; maul; peta; samuelives; sss; stephencolbert; udow; usfs; wildlife
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To: Larebil
“As we expand as a species, we force other creatures to deeper into their territory that cannot fit the species.”

Bear populations have been expanding for the last 30 years.

Man is the dominant creature on the planet. Other species exist only on our sufferance. Yes, we want a variety of species, but they are not people with rights. They are resources.

41 posted on 12/07/2007 12:49:58 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Larebil
You need to make LOUD noise. Convince the bear you are not worth eating.

Sorry. A hungry bear thinks everything is worth eating and any noise less than a 747 on take-off will not scare a bear away if he does not feel like leaving.

42 posted on 12/07/2007 1:03:24 PM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: george76

Bears are not warm fuzzy gentle creatures. They have only one thing on their pinhead minds: eat. You can not trust them. It would be real good if they were thinned out...


43 posted on 12/07/2007 1:15:39 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Larebil
Let’s see Las Vegas or a forest , hmmmm.....

FOREST! Been to Vegas. Ugh. Ok, so it was amusing walking 4 miles down The Strip, but verdict is it's little more than a series of non-sequitors acting as a veneer on a dirty & demoralizing little anomaly in the middle of the desert. Gazing wistfully into the distance, I found the desert far more interesting.

Let’s see, beautiful beaches of barbados or a forest, hmm...

If there's anyone within 100 yards of my family, I'll take the forest.

Some of us DO understand camping and hiking deep in the woods (or desert, or any other rank wilderness). The reality of nature is far more interesting than a continuing series of "how can we get in your wallet" supported by a deteriorating concrete infrastructure.

44 posted on 12/07/2007 2:22:44 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Yes I could spend a lot of time in a forest, assuming I had a good food supply.

Er...the idea is you're in a forest, right? Therefore you have a good food supply!

45 posted on 12/07/2007 2:24:15 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Larebil
I want a gun that is gonna stop it in its tracks.


46 posted on 12/07/2007 2:52:24 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Larebil; humblegunner

>I would never go near bear country or live there,
if I had to,
I want a gun that is gonna stop it in its tracks.<

Those .50 calibers are real heavy to log around. That’s the only weapon I know of that will stop a grizzly in its tracks without a head shot.


47 posted on 12/07/2007 5:43:04 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: ClearCase_guy; george76
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48 posted on 12/07/2007 5:51:21 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: george76
A good friend of mine had to kill one 3 years ago in self defense. The sow charged him 3 times. He made noise, raised his arms, etc. to try and convince her he wasn’t worth the trouble. On the 3rd charge he could tell she wasn’t bluffing.

He contacted the state wildlife division and reported the incident. They met him at the location and investigated it as a crime. Once they determined he was, indeed protecting himself he was free to go.

Tennessee and KY have a “bear relocation” program fro problem bears in the Smokey Mt. campgrounds. They are tagged and relocated to another area. If they are caught again, they are on double secret probation and marked for extermination.
One of the areas they happen to relocate problem bears that have lost their fear of humans in also a popular hiking, horseback riding and deer hunting area in East TN.

Kind of keeps you on your toes when you are hiking or hunting out that way

49 posted on 12/07/2007 5:53:41 PM PST by CrappieLuck
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To: CrappieLuck

The National Park Service and US Forest Service do the same out west.

These DOW types dump problem bears into Utah from Yellowstone. The bears were repeat offenders in Yellowstone, so guess what...


50 posted on 12/07/2007 5:58:19 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: B4Ranch; Larebil
Those .50 calibers are real heavy to log around.

I'd highly recommend hunting from a vehicle if using a 50.

It will drop a bear-right-there I'm pretty sure.

51 posted on 12/07/2007 6:12:20 PM PST by humblegunner (My KungFu is ten times power.©)
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To: Eastbound; Myrddin; Squantos

Check this one.


52 posted on 12/07/2007 6:15:18 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: george76
Bears that barge in on people in the forest have become enough of a nuisance that more of them should be hunted, state wildlife managers have decided.

I hate to nitpick, but isn't it the people barging in on the bears?

53 posted on 12/07/2007 6:31:49 PM PST by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: Nachoman; familyop

The bears are barging into people’s homes.

Indian Reservations do not have this ‘barging’ problem.

The elimination of hunting seasons and traditional hunting practices have allowed the growth of bear populations beyond historical numbers.

The larger male bears drive out the younger / smaller bears from the wilder areas who then break into homes.


54 posted on 12/07/2007 6:39:54 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

IIRC, bear hunting is allowed in CO. It’s way too expensive, though. We need to give free permits and tags to Ozarkians and allow hunting dogs for that for a year or two. That would fix the problem. And some of those folks will eat anything. ;-)


55 posted on 12/07/2007 6:48:32 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: george76

There was a reason why people once knew it was a good idea to kill bears. At the best they consider us competition. At the worst they consider us food.


56 posted on 12/07/2007 6:52:31 PM PST by DouglasKC (I don't know if it's true, but ain't it a good quote?)
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To: george76
If you venture somewhere you may not be at the top of the food chain, you and everyone with you needs to carry an equalizer.

I recommend something in .45-70.

57 posted on 12/07/2007 6:54:53 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: familyop

Colorado had a Spring bear hunting season until the city liberals from California moved in.

Colorado had legal trapping until...

Sheep herders and cowboys took care of predators of all types until the feds / sierra club lawyers started removing the grazing ‘allotments’...

and...


58 posted on 12/07/2007 7:03:45 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: DouglasKC

Most working, rural people still know this.

The problem is with city liberals who think food comes from either a box or a can. They do not understand that some farmer or rancher gets up early to work hard...


59 posted on 12/07/2007 7:07:13 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Travis McGee
Might be good to have some advice here.

Where would you place the muzzle or aim if all you had was one shot and a 38 caliber revolver? Best disabling shot or kill shot?

60 posted on 12/07/2007 7:14:05 PM PST by Eastbound
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