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Why Liberal Women Dislike Hillary Clinton
CBS ^ | 12.07.07 | Keach Hagey

Posted on 12/07/2007 8:16:21 AM PST by rface

Jane Fonda summed up this view best in which she called Clinton "a ventriloquist for the patriarchy with a skirt and a vagina." (It would be such a great quote, except when was the last time Hillary wore a skirt?).......

They are like her, but they don't like her.

Such is the curious phenomenon of many educated, professional, liberal women of a certain age when it comes to Hillary Clinton, the Los Angeles Times reports. In fact, upper-middle-class women on the left are "historically her toughest crowd," the paper reports.

Why is this? The Times offers a handful of possibilities:

1) They're not as worried about job security as their more blue-collar peers (who are more pro-Clinton), so they feel free to judge the New York Senator as a peer.

2) They're disgusted by the fact that, while they struggled to break through barriers in the workplace, Clinton hitched her star to her man and followed him to the top.

3) They're disappointed by her support of the Iraq war and the fact that she has recreated herself as a centrist.

4) Women hold each other to an unrealistic standard.

5) She's trying to act too much like a man.

"What you may be hearing is the commitment to pacifism that some women associate with feminism," said Wendy Kaminer, a 57-year-old author and lawyer. "It's what I think of as the 'feminine' strain of feminism that sees women as bringing something to the table because they are not militaristic, work by consensus and don't play the boys' game. And Hillary is someone who has played the boys' game exceedingly well."

Jane Fonda perhaps summed up this view best in an interview with the LA Weekly last May, in which she called Clinton "a ventriloquist for the patriarchy with a skirt and a vagina." (It would be such a great quote, except when was the last time Hillary wore a skirt?)

The Times says Clinton has been working to overcome this skepticism from her sisters by appearing on "The View" and telling a Chicago audience that "I'm your girl."

Why this should endear her to feminist peers, I'm not quite sure, but something seems to be working. Support for Clinton among college-educated women jumped from 29 percent in June to 50 percent in October, according to the latest LA Times/Bloomberg poll.


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To: rface
"...when was the last time Hillary wore a skirt?).......

I astutely ask, why would a human toilet hillary need a dress?

61 posted on 12/07/2007 3:33:50 PM PST by Mr Apple ( "VIDEO CHINAGATE" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2970981220206109356)
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To: CaptainK
I'm just whatever the man I'm with wants me to be.

As Jane said about herself.

God, I love it when they eat their own.

62 posted on 12/07/2007 3:42:06 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: rface
Maybe they do not like Hillary because:
*Hillary stuck by a man who cheated on her with a series of women, including the pathetic Monica.
*Hillary just has a low likability factor.
*It is embarrassing for them to watch Hillary's unwillingness or inability to answer questions.
*One does not know what Hillary stands for. Her flipflop on illegal aliens was almost comical.
*Hillary appears weak - afraid to appear on FOX, whining about Russert, having Richardson come to her defense that made her only look worse, etc.
63 posted on 12/07/2007 3:43:22 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Miss Didi

Slightly off topic, but the lighting job for that interwiew was just too much. Only the MSM could reveal their bias by a damn lighting job.


64 posted on 12/07/2007 4:49:14 PM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: jdm

Her calves look skinny there,,what was that?


65 posted on 12/07/2007 4:53:28 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: DungeonMaster

A long time ago I realized most female friendships are based on mutual complaining about how bad everyone treats each party. Especially husbands.

Then I realized it was a tactic to make sure the friend wasn’t envious. Therefore wouldn’t steal your hubby or do mean things to you.

I think you are right. Competitive women don’t have friends.

Plus Hillary has a razor knife under her skirt ready to use it on any woman who gets in her way.


66 posted on 12/07/2007 4:57:07 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Gunner9mm
Hillary slept her way to the top.

Forgive me while I now go put an ice pick through my eardrum.
67 posted on 12/08/2007 12:13:28 AM PST by Uncle Ivan (FredOn: Apply Directly to the White House)
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To: rface

“.. something seems to be working. Support for Clinton among college-educated women jumped from 29 percent in June to 50 percent in October,”
Maybe so, but not much else seems to be working because her overall numbers are falling through the floor.


68 posted on 12/08/2007 9:59:51 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: Miss Didi

Post #18 - Cue “No Rain” song by Blind Melon....


69 posted on 12/08/2007 10:04:28 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: rface

“Support for Clinton among college-educated women jumped from 29 percent in June to 50 percent in October.”

This doesn’t say much for the current college education.


70 posted on 12/08/2007 10:25:01 AM PST by CyberAnt (AMERICA: THE GREATEST FORCE for good in the world!)
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To: Alberta's Child
In my work I've noticed that professional relations between women are far more tense than relations between men and women (regardless of which is the superior and which is the subordinate).

My wife is beautiful--I am not bragging, just telling it like it is.

:-)

Less attractive women seem to make a career out of trying to sabotage her wherever she works. They totally lose it when they find out she looks fifteen years younger than her age.

The men seem very cooperative.

;-)
71 posted on 12/08/2007 10:33:27 AM PST by cgbg (Nada non nyet--nanny amnesty Huckabee.)
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To: donna
How does a woman live her whole life and end up so cold and vulgar?

It's easy if you start out in life cold and vulgar. Although, she did a Playboy spread back in the sixties that was pretty hot.

72 posted on 12/08/2007 10:50:23 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: rface; All

Speaking of Fonda, have any of you seen the mini-documentary they’re playing on TCM about Henry Fonda? It’s narrated by Jane and Peter Fonda. Bout 5 minutes long. It’s so passive/aggressive that it’s sickening. He was a great actor, but a terrible, distant, neglectful father sums up what they say. I can’t imagine why TCM is airing this crap.


73 posted on 12/08/2007 10:58:12 AM PST by uncitizen
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To: hinckley buzzard

And, we should never forget ‘Barbarella’, LOL.


74 posted on 12/08/2007 11:41:58 AM PST by donna (We live in this fog of political correctness, where everything is perpetual deception.-John Hagee)
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To: donna
And, we should never forget ‘Barbarella’, LOL.

HAH!(Little Chris Matthews laugh there). How could we?

75 posted on 12/08/2007 11:44:38 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: cgbg

Probably they lose it when the men are so cooperative because she’s pretty. Just leveling the playing field . . .


76 posted on 12/08/2007 11:45:26 AM PST by donna (We live in this fog of political correctness, where everything is perpetual deception.-John Hagee)
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To: jdm

my goodness. not a flattering angle


77 posted on 12/08/2007 9:14:14 PM PST by ottersnot ("No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Revolting cat!

Your’s is the best!

Liberal woman hate Hillary because “she’s a man!” :-)


78 posted on 12/08/2007 9:28:40 PM PST by reformjoy
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To: rface
2) They’re disgusted by the fact that, while they struggled to break through barriers in the workplace, Clinton hitched her star to her man and followed him to the top.

Anyone who breaks a barrier ends up being a standard-bearer for their group. If you have daughters, they will end up seeing Hillary as a role model for them, and not a positive one.

Do we really want our daughters to imitate someone who owes her political career to the man she married? Most successful women are successful because of how they carried out their careers, not by how well they married.

Considering this, Hillary is little more exemplary than the typical trophy wife, fully dependent on her husband for her standard of living. Heck, she even puts up with his serial philandering in order to keep her political career (and standard of living) afloat.

Does anyone want such a person to be the role model for their daughters?

79 posted on 12/09/2007 12:54:07 PM PST by 365Hillary.com
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To: rface
Case in point: Hillary Clinton is Entitled to Nothing from the London Telegraph.

Here's the beginning of the article by Lionel Shriver (yes, a woman, and apparently a liberal and the author of a novel, We Need To Talk About Kevin):

I'm married to a jazz drummer. I have sat at the front table in countless clubs, clapping and tapping my foot. I have even helped to schlep the snare and tom-tom into taxis. I have an amiable social relationship with any number of the cats with whom my husband plays. See, I even know some of the lingo. So I would like to advertise my services as a jazz drummer, too.

What, no bookings? Sticklers who object that I have never actually played the drums might reflect on Hillary Clinton's claim that eight years "in" the White House (that is, physically under the roof) count as political "experience", on the basis of which she deserves the presidency. Implicitly, Hillary has already been practically-president for two terms.

...

And the end:

...

This understanding between Bill and Hillary, and subsequently between Hillary and the upper echelons of her party, ignores the fact that, in democracies, an elective office is ostensibly not theirs to trade. Moreover, this business of folks in power bargaining behind closed doors - "If you let me run the country for now, then I'll hand off the office to you at such-and-such a date" - feels painfully familiar here in Britain.

An "aura of inevitability" is generated by a consuming sense of entitlement, one so fiercely embraced by leaders-in-waiting that they are able to induce in their electorates a mass psychosis of resignation. For voters petulantly, capriciously to reject the head of state who has already been selected for them would renege on a deal that is none of their business, and would constitute a veritably actionable violation of contract.

I, for one, have an allergic reaction to this patrician sense of entitlement, whose electoral validity our friend Gordon has yet to test. As for America, next month in Iowa Democrats decide whether to accede to Hillary's fatalistic message: "It is written." Recall TE Lawrence's ringing declaration in David Lean's biopic: "Nothing is written!" For Barack Obama, not a bad campaign slogan.

80 posted on 12/09/2007 1:02:48 PM PST by x
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