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To: Red Badger
Research findings released today indicate that mid-range ethanol blends—fuel mixtures with more ethanol than 10% (E10) but less than 85% (E85)—can in some cases provide better fuel economy than regular unleaded gasoline, even in standard, non-flex-fuel vehicles

Hmmm Fuel with less energy will do more work. makes sense to me (as long as you repeal the first law of thermodynamics - something that Kongress has done with the CAFE standards.) Maybe that's how they found that you can get more work out of less energy. They ran the study after Kongress repealed the first law.

9 posted on 12/05/2007 9:37:50 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: from occupied ga; NVDave; thackney

My theory:

The ethanol doesn’t burn but turns to “steam” instead creating more force than the gasoline alone...............

Just a thought......


12 posted on 12/05/2007 9:40:15 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: from occupied ga

” Hmmm Fuel with less energy will do more work. makes sense to me (as long as you repeal the first law of thermodynamics..”

THat’s assuming you get complete combustion of the fuel source which we know not to be the case in internal combustion engines.

Perhaps at a lower BTU content the fuel combination becomes more efficient as the data suggests.


23 posted on 12/05/2007 9:52:19 AM PST by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built)
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To: from occupied ga
Hmmm Fuel with less energy will do more work. makes sense to me (as long as you repeal the first law of thermodynamics - something that Kongress has done with the CAFE standards.)

There are more dynamics at work in a piston engine than the first law. For example, if the ethanol enables the engine to burn the fuel mixture more completely than it does the straight gasoline, you could conceivably get more energy from the ethanol mixture. Not that the gasoline has less BTUs in it, of course, but that you just aren't harvesting all of them inside the cylinder where they can do useful work. We know there are unburned hydrocarbons left over in a straight-gas engine, because something is left to light off the catalytic converter.

34 posted on 12/05/2007 10:04:44 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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