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Romney to Address His Mormonism
New York Times ^ | December 2, 2007 | Michael Luo

Posted on 12/02/2007 2:57:55 PM PST by Zakeet

Mitt Romney will deliver a speech entitled “Faith in America,” addressing his Mormon religion, on Thursday at the George H.W. Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Tex.

His campaign is describing the address as an opportunity for Mr. Romney to “share his views on religious liberty, the grand tradition religious tolerance has played in the progress of our nation and how the governor’s own faith would inform his presidency if he were elected.”

Mr. Romney personally made the decision to give the speech last week, feeling it was the right moment to do so, his advisers said. After he decided he would make it, the campaign consulted with former President Bush’s library, which invited him to deliver it there.

Suspicions about his Mormon beliefs, which many conservative Christians consider to be heretical, have dogged Mr. Romney’s candidacy since it began, with many polls showing large numbers of Americans would not vote for a Mormon presidential candidate.

Mr. Romney had resisted delivering a speech dedicated to his faith up to this point, choosing instead to address questions about his beliefs when they came up from audience members and reporters.

But many, including evangelical supporters, have long urged him to address the questions head on and deliver an address modeled after the one John F. Kennedy delivered about his Catholicism to a gathering of Southern Baptist ministers in Houston in 1960 that many credit with defusing questions about his faith.

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election; elections; faith; issues; ldschurch; mormonism; romney
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To: teddyballgame
Why don't we put the beliefs of the mormon church out there so that when Mitt gives "The Speech" everyone will be able to see whether he is really addressing his religion or whether he is trying to minimize the effects of it in his polls.

My prediction is that he will try to aim the "bigotry" arrow that is used so freely here at those who have reservations about mormonism. And, my prediction is, if he does THAT, the Evangelicals will shift further away from him.

This speech, that he has been so reluctant to give, is, IMO, a sign of desperation in light of the erosion in his poll numbers in Iowa, the state he thought he had bought and paid for.

Mr. Huckabee’s rise in Iowa — some recent polls now put him in a dead heat with Mr. Romney, who had led surveys for months — has been fueled by evangelical Christians, who believe Mormonism runs counter to Christian orthodoxy.

Although Mr. Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, has been able to make inroads among the evangelicals, an influential voting bloc in the state, interviews with Mr. Huckabee’s supporters make clear that a sizable number are distinctly uncomfortable with Mr. Romney’s religion and cite it as a major reason they would not vote for him in the state’s Jan. 3 caucuses.

In Iowa, Mormon Issue Is Benefiting Huckabee

221 posted on 12/03/2007 7:22:51 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (CNN (debate) questioners included more hacks than a cat coughing up a hairball.-Jonah Goldberg)
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To: teddyballgame

How open minded of you. His speech, prepared for the masses to help assuage their fears of a Mormon POTUS will not sway me in the least. He has already told me, and represented himself to me in obvious terms. I don’t need to be pandered to.


222 posted on 12/03/2007 7:24:50 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Biblebelter
How can anyone claim to be a Conservative of any significance and still get elected in Taxachussetts?

Or better yet:

How can anyone who was born into a multi-generational Mormon family, lived his live in the LDS organization, held many offices in that organization; how could they NOT have ALWAYS been against ABORTION??

Psalms 139:13-16
13. For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.
14. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
15. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16. your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

223 posted on 12/03/2007 7:24:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
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224 posted on 12/03/2007 7:25:50 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (CNN (debate) questioners included more hacks than a cat coughing up a hairball.-Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Petronski

I personally like the SO FORTHs in #6 & #7!!!

You can hide a LOT of ‘theology’ in there!


225 posted on 12/03/2007 7:27:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teddyballgame
I’ll wait until I hear what he has to say before I condemn it.

Don't you mean, "I’ll wait until I hear what he has to say before I condemn approve of it?

226 posted on 12/03/2007 7:27:56 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (CNN (debate) questioners included more hacks than a cat coughing up a hairball.-Jonah Goldberg)
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To: FastCoyote
Prove they are fictional. Seems to me they nail Joseph Smith and Brigham Young to the wall.

First show me where they claim Joseph Smith ran a whorehouse and was a polygamist. Then I will demonstrate where they are fiction. Don't you just love getting caught lying? :)

You quote not a single line from either book as false. You provide no source that says each of the two ladies made up their stories.

I couldn't find the lines where they said that Joseph Smith ran a Whorehouse and was a polygamist. You find those lines first : ) Then I will bother with proving the books fiction.

I guess we know who the liar and fraud is. My, my, you can’t even provide a link from Farm or Fair. And I guess you completely deny polygamy even existed, and you deny Smith’s revelation enforcing it.

You forget where I am coming from. From my viewpoint you are just an alchemist squabbling with another alchemist over who discovered the elixer for eternal life : ) The premise is false.

227 posted on 12/03/2007 7:29:03 AM PST by LeGrande
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To: Cyber Liberty
For the record, even Mormon apostates won’t share with me about the underwear thing....

'cause you ain't WORTHY; Dude!

228 posted on 12/03/2007 7:29:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry
Do any of us really think LeGrande is an ex-mormon by choice when he chooses to play the atheist apologist for the LDS Church. If it takes a professed athiest to speak for Mormonism, that should tell us all we need to know about Mormonism’s so-called Christianity.

Interesting lack of logic with that statement. If I was kicked out by the Mormons why would I attack you Anti's? Is that the best that you can come up with?

What liars many Mormons are, and then they expose it on a public site like this one. They should be ashamed and yet they boast. It is amazing the steps satan will take to imput the word of God.

Since this post is directed at me. When have I lied? Show me the lie and I will admit it and apologize. If you can't then are you big enough to admit that you are liar and apologize?

229 posted on 12/03/2007 7:35:29 AM PST by LeGrande
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To: MHT
The people who like Mormons the best are---other Mormons. However kooky their theology is by comparison with mainstream Christianity, the outward manifestation of their faith is admirable. Families stay together as mom and dad are committed and supported by others. They generally resist the temptations like alcohol, smoking, etc., that ruin lives. They are fiscally and morally conservative and live by their devotion to God, family, and country. These are all good things.

Ok then.....

 

State Estimates of Depression: 2004 and 2005

In Brief
  • Combined 2004 and 2005 data indicate that 8.88 percent of youths aged 12 to 17 and 7.65 percent of adults aged 18 or older experienced at least one major depressive episode (MDE) in the past year

  • Among 12 to 17 year olds, rates of past year MDE were among the highest in Idaho (10.37 percent) and Nevada (10.28 percent) and among the lowest in Louisiana (7.19 percent) and South Dakota (7.40 percent)

  • Rates of past year MDE among adults aged 18 or older were among the highest in Utah (10.14 percent) and Rhode Island (9.88 percent) and among the lowest in Hawaii (6.74 percent) and New Jersey (6.81 percent)

230 posted on 12/03/2007 7:36:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Marking for reference.


231 posted on 12/03/2007 7:37:28 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: MHT
However, compared with national divorce rates, I am going to bet that Mormons have lower ones.

When you get threatened that you'll lose your place in heaven; it WOULD tend to be a good motivator to stay hitched!


 
 
 
 

 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 

232 posted on 12/03/2007 7:38:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: broncobilly
And don’t trust anyone who takes pleasure in mocking other’s religion.
 
I see where you are coming from!!!
 
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 
 

233 posted on 12/03/2007 7:40:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: broncobilly
Still pushing that lie are you?

Is your GOOGLE® button STILL broken?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/mitt-romney-muslims-and-mitt-romney-muslims-cabinet

234 posted on 12/03/2007 7:42:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I predicted Romney would have to do this.

You MINDREADER!!!

235 posted on 12/03/2007 7:42:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: broncobilly
The often wear symbols to remind THEMSELVES...

Being 'reminded' and being 'protected' is a BIT different.

236 posted on 12/03/2007 7:44:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LeGrande
Didn't you say you aren't a Mormon? Then how can this post be directed at you?

What liars many Mormons are, and then they expose it on a public site like this one.

What logic you possess, Legrande. < /sarc> Thanks again for calling your fellow freepers "members of a cabal," "bitter old hags" and the likes. It exposes you for what you are, a hypocrit.

237 posted on 12/03/2007 7:44:27 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Elsie; broncobilly
Is your GOOGLE® button STILL broken?

Hey, he'd qualify as a CNN staffer.

238 posted on 12/03/2007 7:45:08 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39
Satan will then be stripped of his power by action of the council.

Councils got great power!!

HA Ha ha!

239 posted on 12/03/2007 7:45:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: curiosity
JFK didn't have to defend his Catholicism...

Yes, I believe he did. It proves my point, in fact. Thanks for bringing it up for me.

240 posted on 12/03/2007 7:45:29 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Don't trust anyone who can’t take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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