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Women lose fight for topless bathing
www.thelocal.se ^ | 11/30/2007 | James Savage

Posted on 11/30/2007 10:26:00 AM PST by WesternCulture

Two Swedish women who want to be allowed go topless in the nation's swimming pools have had their case rejected by Sweden's equality watchdog.

A ruling released on Friday underlined that women's bodies were different from men's:

"There is a physical difference between a woman's upper body and that of a man," said Equal Opportunities Ombudsman Anne-Marie Bergström.

"There is also a great difference between how people in general perceive men's and women's bodies. It is therefore hard to maintain that [the topless bathers] were in a comparable situation to men who bathed with naked upper bodies."

Ragnhild Karlsson, 22, who brought the case, told The Local on Friday that she was unsurprised by the ruling:

"Of course we are disappointed, but I understand that from a legal perspective they can't pursue this case. Still, I think it's sad that society is the way it is - that men don't have to cover their upper bodies but women do," she said.

The case reached the watchdog in September after Karlsson and her friend Kristin Karlsson, 21, went for a topless swim at the Fyrishov swimming pool in Uppsala.

A female lifeguard caught sight of the pair and told to put their tops back on or leave the pool. They chose to leave the pool.

The women complained to the ombudsman, saying that if men can show their chests, women should be allowed to do so as well.

But the watchdog said different rules were applied to men and women in most cultures:

"Women's bodies have more often been the subject sexually objectification, decrees and dress-codes. In our society, the female body is sexualized in a way that the male body is not. This is demonstrated in pornography and in parts of the rest of the media."

Bergström said that the fact that women's bodies were objectified "is a sign of a lack of equality and hampers the process of building an equal society."

Despite rejecting the women's case, Bergström it was good that they had raised the question:

"The case has achieved a lot of attention and it is good that we can have a discussion about unequal rules for the bodies of men and women."

The women behind the protest say they are pleased with their campaign, despite Friday's verdict.

The case has provoked "lots of positive reactions," said Karlsson. One result has been the 'Bara Bröst' network, which campaigns for women's breasts to be 'desexualized'. The name translates both as both as 'Bare Breasts' and 'Just Breasts'.

"We've had a few negative reactions too," she added.

"There have been quite a few un-serious comments from men who say 'this is OK for attractive women, but not for ugly women," she said.

Karlsson pointed out that men can walk around bare-chested "no matter what they look like." She also pointed out that they want topless bathing to be "an individual decision."

"We're not saying that everyone should go topless."

Meanwhile, the campaign for equality is set to continue.

"We are going to pursue this through political means," said Karlsson.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antibikini; feminism; sbt; scandinavia; sweden; swedishbikiniteam; topless
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1 posted on 11/30/2007 10:26:01 AM PST by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

“”There is a physical difference between a woman’s upper body and that of a man,” said Equal Opportunities Ombudsman Anne-Marie Bergström.”

- In Sweden and probably in the rest of today’s world, there’s a lack of equal opportunities for receiving a well paid job that consists in making incompetent investigations into non-existing problems.


2 posted on 11/30/2007 10:26:33 AM PST by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

I demand to see the evidence!....................


3 posted on 11/30/2007 10:26:38 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: WesternCulture

Rules.


4 posted on 11/30/2007 10:26:47 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Red Badger

I’ve seen their picture and they’re guitly as sin!


5 posted on 11/30/2007 10:27:17 AM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: All

Trust me....you DON’T want to see the evidence.


6 posted on 11/30/2007 10:27:35 AM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: WesternCulture

So they should wear a t-shirt? Someone will complain about the wet t-shirts then...


7 posted on 11/30/2007 10:27:48 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: Red Badger

No you don’t. Trust me on this one.

In the 70’s, a friend of mine spent time in Sweden. She said topless sun bathing seemed to be the norm in Sweden. A influx of immigrants has shifted the paradigm somewhat


8 posted on 11/30/2007 10:28:27 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: WesternCulture
"There is a physical difference between a woman’s upper body and that of a man,”

There is a physical difference between the neck of a man and woman. Burquas for all.

9 posted on 11/30/2007 10:28:41 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: WesternCulture

Ragnhild Karlsson

10 posted on 11/30/2007 10:29:08 AM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: WesternCulture
"There is a physical difference between a woman's upper body and that of a man,"

No (fill in your favorite profanity)________ Sherlock...........

11 posted on 11/30/2007 10:29:26 AM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: WesternCulture

I was completely behind them on this. In a manner of speaking.


12 posted on 11/30/2007 10:30:52 AM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: Red Badger

13 posted on 11/30/2007 10:31:04 AM PST by JZelle
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BE WARNED:

- You CAN find images of these female protestors by clicking the keywords above, but you will not find them appealing.


14 posted on 11/30/2007 10:31:12 AM PST by WesternCulture
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To: Red Badger

No you don’t.


15 posted on 11/30/2007 10:31:20 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: WesternCulture

So these lesbians are saying that they are not sexually aroused by naked breasts???


16 posted on 11/30/2007 10:31:35 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: WesternCulture
I fully expected a picture of Helen Thomas to be posted by now.
17 posted on 11/30/2007 10:31:59 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: WesternCulture
"There is a physical difference between a woman's upper body and that of a man," said Equal Opportunities Ombudsman Anne-Marie Bergström.

I'm from Missouri so show me! Well, I am not really from Missouri but I still want to see the evidence.

18 posted on 11/30/2007 10:32:05 AM PST by One_American
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To: Pistolshot

I’d hit it..... with a burning golf shoe.


19 posted on 11/30/2007 10:32:44 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Red Badger
You do not want to see pictures of these women, trust me.

Unless you're into women who look like surly 12 year old boys.

20 posted on 11/30/2007 10:33:21 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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