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Ron Paul on track to be biggest fundraiser (politico)
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| 11/30/07
| Jeanne Cummings
Posted on 11/30/2007 9:07:21 AM PST by traviskicks
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To: Nathan Zachary
It's easy when he lives in a riding full of nit wits, which happens to be a democrat riding, so obviously he's a RINO. BTW, when you post on an American Web site, you should use American political terminology. Canada and Britain have ridings, but we do not. As for the 14th Congressional District of Texas, the area it covered has not supported a Democrat Presidential candidate since Jimmy Carter in 1976. Hardly a "democrat riding", eh?
To: SubGeniusX
But, what I am hoping is, that Dr. Paul's wife will get sick of the unfounded attacks on her husband, and release him from his promise... Deep down I hope he does especially if that POS Rudy is nominated. All of the 3rd party talk is coming from GOP insiders. They need a scapegoat because their candidate is toast in the general.
To: Designer
I noticed that too...that’s the system we REALLY have in America today. I don’t think the poster meant it that way, unfortunately.
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Nah, you explained why you
think he polls so poorly. I'm fairly certain there are other reasons he polls poorly. One just might be that only a small percentage of voters support him, but pointing that out is probably just an attack on the poor guy, isn't it?
As for the straw polls, yes I still think people won't vote when it counts. When Paul is still polling in single digits at the time of the primary, a large percentage (a term, looking at the polls, that Paul supporters are obviously quite unfamiliar with) of those few of his supporters who actually could even get their hands on a Republican ballot (please don't try to sell me on every one of his supporters switching parties for him. I'm not buying.) will decide enough is enough and won't bother to go. Primaries have notoriously low turnouts anyway. Support for candidates like Paul who have no chance to win when the primary time rolls around is next to nothing. So to reiterate, Paul will fare poorly in most states because A) many of his supporters aren't registered as Republicans and therefore can't get ballots to vote for him, B) many of his younger supporters, even in open primary states, can't be bothered with actually voting, and C) of those who can vote for him in closed primary states, many will be dissuaded by the fact he's still polling in single digits and has no earthly chance to get the nomination.
In the future, I expect we'll be talking about Paul about as much as we talk about Ross Perot. Just think... instead of hearing people with fake thick southern accents saying "Look, here's the deal. Hear that giant suckin' sound?" as a joke, we'll hear people making their voices as high and squeaky as possible to say "...but I'm not an isolationist! Gold Standard! GOLD STANDARD!!!!" as a joke. That has got to make you proud.
And nice of you to show a bit of nervousness about Peden's candidacy. I'm not in Texas, and have no real worry which way the primary in that race turns out. Paul is relatively harmless in the House, in the same way crazy Uncle Lou and his "I'll make city hall pay!" diatribes won't really harm a family. It would be nice to see his fringe ideas purged, but if not, no big deal. But it is funny to see those who complain about Paul being dismissed and made fun of doing exactly the same thing to Peden. I guess it isn't against the Constitution to be a hypocrite in that regard. As far as "leave him alone"... why do I suddenly have this vision of you doing a Chris Crocker-style YouTube video?
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posted on
11/30/2007 11:43:18 AM PST
by
Jokelahoma
(Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
To: Nathan Zachary
live in a closed communist style economy
I can't believe you actually DARED to call Dr. Paul "communist". He is far and away the biggest free market capitalist of any candidate running.
we do business beyond our borders
We do indeed live in a global economy. Perhaps that's a good reason to not severely weaken our currency through our monetary policy and huge budget deficits. It might also be a good reason repair our relationships with much of the rest of the globe by abandoning our futile nation-building efforts in the Middle East.
capitolism
Another poster already pointed out the irony of your misspelling. We don't have true free market capitalism in America. We are ridden with central planning and corporate welfare, so perhaps "capitolism" is actually quite appropriate.
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I agree. I actually get disheartened when he insists he won’t run a third party campaign, because I’m still skeptical he can with the GOP nod and I really don’t know if I’ll be able to bring myself to vote for anyone else in the GOP field. Then again, he almost has to say he won’t run third party, because he’s not going to win the GOP nomination by telling everyone that he plans on continuing his campaign regardless. I hope he changes his mind, but unfortunately (in this case), he has a strong record of keeping his word.
To: Jokelahoma
It would be nice to see his fringe ideas purgedIs advocating for no gun laws a "fringe" idea?
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posted on
11/30/2007 12:01:01 PM PST
by
jmc813
(#1 in the hood, G)
To: Jokelahoma
Oh, and I was looking at some of your previous posts and noticed you posted this while defending Rudy...
I just wish more people here would learn that attacking other candidates isn't the same as supporting your own. You can achieve the latter without resorting to the former. Wouldn't it be better for those rabid supporters to tell those of us as of yet undecided (other than decidedly not a Democrat) why we should support the candidate they support, instead of expending so much energy running down others?
Why the double standard?
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posted on
11/30/2007 12:05:08 PM PST
by
jmc813
(#1 in the hood, G)
To: Jokelahoma
Nah, you explained why you think he polls so poorly. Listen pal, even the Centers for Disease Control conceded that traditional land-line polling is obsolete as they were having a hard time with the results from them. Here, let me break it down for you:
- Nearly all of Paul's supporters are political newcomers, young adults, or conservatives who don't march in lockstep with the GOP
- The majority of them do not own land-line phones, they own cellphones, and it is illegal for pollsters to call them
- They did not vote in the 2004 presidential election
- The registered Republicans who did vote in 2004 are a very small sample for pollsters to choose from.
- Most MSM polls EXCLUDE Dr. Paul's name. Here's what exclude means. It means he's puposefully not part of the question. The choices are Rudy, Romney, Thompson, or McCain. If you say "other", or say Paul's name, you are not included in the poll, after you are hung up on by the pollster or listening to his/her sigh of disbelief.
Dr. Paul has thousands of people attending his rallies. He has the most extensive grassroots support of the candidates. He is leading all GOP candidates in fundraising for the 4Q, almost all of it from small, individual donations. He wins straw polls and online polls, and online polls A LIVE PERSON still has to point and click on the radio button to select a choice. You're going to believe that he's at "2%" when overwhelming empirical evidence says otherwise? Your screename is appropriate.
But if you want to be brainwashed by MSM spin, go ahead. But don't deny that he doesn't have support and base this off of obsolete polls conducted by the media, which obviously has an agenda.
To: samtheman
This nitwit, and his legions of nitwit supporters, are going to go third party. Which is fine. Theyre all a bunch of jihadist-boot-lickers who would never vote for a strong-military candidate anyway. If there was no L Ron, theyd all talk themselves into voting for the beast. I think he is too, though Paul has indicated the decision is 3 or 4 months off. It'll be a plus for the GOP, far more one issue antiwar voters on the left, and my guess the Dem candidate will be in the process of becoming a hawk post-convention. A wiser hawk than GWB, but a hawk nonetheless.
Paul calls Kucinich veep speculation "premature" [will think about it in 3 or 4 months]
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posted on
11/30/2007 12:10:08 PM PST
by
SJackson
(I really wish the Jews in Judea an independent nation, John Adams)
To: Jokelahoma
As for the straw polls, yes I still think people won't vote when it counts. When Paul is still polling in single digits at the time of the primary, a large percentage (a term, looking at the polls, that Paul supporters are obviously quite unfamiliar with) of those few of his supporters who actually could even get their hands on a Republican ballot (please don't try to sell me on every one of his supporters switching parties for him. I'm not buying.) will decide enough is enough and won't bother to go. Primaries have notoriously low turnouts anyway. Support for candidates like Paul who have no chance to win when the primary time rolls around is next to nothing. So to reiterate, Paul will fare poorly in most states because A) many of his supporters aren't registered as Republicans and therefore can't get ballots to vote for him, B) many of his younger supporters, even in open primary states, can't be bothered with actually voting, and C) of those who can vote for him in closed primary states, many will be dissuaded by the fact he's still polling in single digits and has no earthly chance to get the nomination. You're right, another problem he faces is high negatives. From this weeks Rasmussen Iowa poll
Among those likely to take part in the Iowa Republican caucuses, Romney is viewed favorably by 77%, Huckabee by 76%, Giuliani by 68%, and Thompson by 71%. Those numbers reflect an eleven point-gain for Huckabee and a six-point decline for Giuliani while impressions of the other candidates is essentially unchanged. As for unfavorables, just 20% offer a negative assessment of Huckabee. Twenty-one percent (21%) have an unfavorable opinion of Romney, 24% say the same about Thompson, and 30% have a negative opinion of Giuliani.
McCains numbers have fallen since the previous Rasmussen Reports survey. Among Republicans likely to participate in the caucus, 54% have a favorable opinion of the Arizona Senator while 44% have an unfavorable view.
Ron Paul is viewed favorably by 39% and unfavorably by 52%.
Highlighting the personal nature of the Iowa caucuses, 44% of those who are likely to participate have seen at least one of the Presidential candidates in person this year.
52% negatives out Hillary Hillary. A higher provile doesn't help if the effort to create it is turning off half the voters.
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posted on
11/30/2007 12:14:24 PM PST
by
SJackson
(I really wish the Jews in Judea an independent nation, John Adams)
To: sam_paine
“If they can hurt the good Republican candidates in the primaries by pumping a loon, then so be it.”
Exactly, they couldn’t talk Perot into running again so they’re using Paul.
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posted on
11/30/2007 12:15:03 PM PST
by
Let's Roll
(As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
To: MinnesotaLibertarian
I work in finance. The dollar is falling. NYBOT DX rallied from 74.8 to 76.1 this week.
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posted on
11/30/2007 12:16:46 PM PST
by
steve86
(Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā¢)
To: SJackson
Go Paul Go! Take our great country back from the neo-CON idiots. Great job they have done LOLOLOLOLOL.
To: Greg Weston
Take our great country back from the neo-CON idiots.You hate Jews.
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posted on
11/30/2007 12:22:10 PM PST
by
jmc813
(#1 in the hood, G)
To: jmc813
I don’t hate myself (ancestry) but I would sure like to scrub the neocons.
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posted on
11/30/2007 12:25:10 PM PST
by
steve86
(Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā¢)
To: jmc813
If you can show me how pointing out Paul has what many would label "fringe" ideas is an attack, then your charge will have merit. If you can show that Paul isn't really hovering in the single digits in national polls, and how pointing that out is an attack or "running him down", then your charge will have merit. Otherwise, you're simply throwing up any straw man you can get your hands on.
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posted on
11/30/2007 12:26:13 PM PST
by
Jokelahoma
(Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
One, I'm not your pal and have no interest in being your pal, so save the condescension for someone who falls for that sort of crap. Two, all of your claims are still just your opinion, and obviously you're welcome to it. Mine is that he has no chance at all to garner the nomination for the reasons I've mentioned in previous posts, and I'll stick to that, thanks.
I wonder if Dale Carnegie ever met Paul supporters? Apparently they're not familiar with his books.
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posted on
11/30/2007 12:30:19 PM PST
by
Jokelahoma
(Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
To: steve86
I dont hate myself (ancestry) but I would sure like to scrub the neocons.But you know, anyone who is not a fan of domestic liberals who happen to be right on foreign policy is an anti-semite. At least that's what some freepers tell me.
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posted on
11/30/2007 12:31:08 PM PST
by
jmc813
(#1 in the hood, G)
To: steve86
The YTD peak for NYBOT DX was 85.43 on January 26. Aside from a few upticks, this week included, the long-term trend has been downward. If it’s still increasing after the new year, then I might consider backing off my claim.
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