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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Nah, you explained why you think he polls so poorly. I'm fairly certain there are other reasons he polls poorly. One just might be that only a small percentage of voters support him, but pointing that out is probably just an attack on the poor guy, isn't it?

As for the straw polls, yes I still think people won't vote when it counts. When Paul is still polling in single digits at the time of the primary, a large percentage (a term, looking at the polls, that Paul supporters are obviously quite unfamiliar with) of those few of his supporters who actually could even get their hands on a Republican ballot (please don't try to sell me on every one of his supporters switching parties for him. I'm not buying.) will decide enough is enough and won't bother to go. Primaries have notoriously low turnouts anyway. Support for candidates like Paul who have no chance to win when the primary time rolls around is next to nothing. So to reiterate, Paul will fare poorly in most states because A) many of his supporters aren't registered as Republicans and therefore can't get ballots to vote for him, B) many of his younger supporters, even in open primary states, can't be bothered with actually voting, and C) of those who can vote for him in closed primary states, many will be dissuaded by the fact he's still polling in single digits and has no earthly chance to get the nomination.

In the future, I expect we'll be talking about Paul about as much as we talk about Ross Perot. Just think... instead of hearing people with fake thick southern accents saying "Look, here's the deal. Hear that giant suckin' sound?" as a joke, we'll hear people making their voices as high and squeaky as possible to say "...but I'm not an isolationist! Gold Standard! GOLD STANDARD!!!!" as a joke. That has got to make you proud.

And nice of you to show a bit of nervousness about Peden's candidacy. I'm not in Texas, and have no real worry which way the primary in that race turns out. Paul is relatively harmless in the House, in the same way crazy Uncle Lou and his "I'll make city hall pay!" diatribes won't really harm a family. It would be nice to see his fringe ideas purged, but if not, no big deal. But it is funny to see those who complain about Paul being dismissed and made fun of doing exactly the same thing to Peden. I guess it isn't against the Constitution to be a hypocrite in that regard. As far as "leave him alone"... why do I suddenly have this vision of you doing a Chris Crocker-style YouTube video?

84 posted on 11/30/2007 11:43:18 AM PST by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: Jokelahoma
It would be nice to see his fringe ideas purged

Is advocating for no gun laws a "fringe" idea?

87 posted on 11/30/2007 12:01:01 PM PST by jmc813 (#1 in the hood, G)
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To: Jokelahoma
Oh, and I was looking at some of your previous posts and noticed you posted this while defending Rudy...

I just wish more people here would learn that attacking other candidates isn't the same as supporting your own. You can achieve the latter without resorting to the former. Wouldn't it be better for those rabid supporters to tell those of us as of yet undecided (other than decidedly not a Democrat) why we should support the candidate they support, instead of expending so much energy running down others?

Why the double standard?

88 posted on 11/30/2007 12:05:08 PM PST by jmc813 (#1 in the hood, G)
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To: Jokelahoma
Nah, you explained why you think he polls so poorly.

Listen pal, even the Centers for Disease Control conceded that traditional land-line polling is obsolete as they were having a hard time with the results from them. Here, let me break it down for you:

Dr. Paul has thousands of people attending his rallies. He has the most extensive grassroots support of the candidates. He is leading all GOP candidates in fundraising for the 4Q, almost all of it from small, individual donations. He wins straw polls and online polls, and online polls A LIVE PERSON still has to point and click on the radio button to select a choice. You're going to believe that he's at "2%" when overwhelming empirical evidence says otherwise? Your screename is appropriate.

But if you want to be brainwashed by MSM spin, go ahead. But don't deny that he doesn't have support and base this off of obsolete polls conducted by the media, which obviously has an agenda.

89 posted on 11/30/2007 12:09:45 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Jokelahoma
As for the straw polls, yes I still think people won't vote when it counts. When Paul is still polling in single digits at the time of the primary, a large percentage (a term, looking at the polls, that Paul supporters are obviously quite unfamiliar with) of those few of his supporters who actually could even get their hands on a Republican ballot (please don't try to sell me on every one of his supporters switching parties for him. I'm not buying.) will decide enough is enough and won't bother to go. Primaries have notoriously low turnouts anyway. Support for candidates like Paul who have no chance to win when the primary time rolls around is next to nothing. So to reiterate, Paul will fare poorly in most states because A) many of his supporters aren't registered as Republicans and therefore can't get ballots to vote for him, B) many of his younger supporters, even in open primary states, can't be bothered with actually voting, and C) of those who can vote for him in closed primary states, many will be dissuaded by the fact he's still polling in single digits and has no earthly chance to get the nomination.

You're right, another problem he faces is high negatives. From this weeks Rasmussen Iowa poll

Among those likely to take part in the Iowa Republican caucuses, Romney is viewed favorably by 77%, Huckabee by 76%, Giuliani by 68%, and Thompson by 71%. Those numbers reflect an eleven point-gain for Huckabee and a six-point decline for Giuliani while impressions of the other candidates is essentially unchanged.

As for unfavorables, just 20% offer a negative assessment of Huckabee. Twenty-one percent (21%) have an unfavorable opinion of Romney, 24% say the same about Thompson, and 30% have a negative opinion of Giuliani.

McCain’s numbers have fallen since the previous Rasmussen Reports survey. Among Republicans likely to participate in the caucus, 54% have a favorable opinion of the Arizona Senator while 44% have an unfavorable view.

Ron Paul is viewed favorably by 39% and unfavorably by 52%.

Highlighting the personal nature of the Iowa caucuses, 44% of those who are likely to participate have seen at least one of the Presidential candidates in person this year.

52% negatives out Hillary Hillary. A higher provile doesn't help if the effort to create it is turning off half the voters.

91 posted on 11/30/2007 12:14:24 PM PST by SJackson (I really wish the Jews in Judea an independent nation, John Adams)
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