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Paris suburb riots called 'a lot worse' than in 2005
Int'l Herald Tribune/NYT ^ | November 27, 2007 | Elaine Sciolino

Posted on 11/27/2007 7:47:10 PM PST by fishhound

PARIS: The rituals and acts of rage have an eerie sameness to them: roving gangs of angry youths clashing with the riot police in France's edgy suburbs, the government appealing for calm, local officials and residents complaining that their problems are ignored.

Two years after an orgy of violence in which rioters in more than 300 suburbs and towns torched cars, trashed businesses and ambushed the riot police and firefighters, Villiers-le-Bel and several nearby suburbs of Paris similarly have erupted in violence and destruction.

In one sense, the unrest seems to be more menacing than during the early days of the three weeks of rioting in 2005. Then, the youth seemed disorganized, their destruction largely caused by rock-throwing and arson and aimed at the closest and easiest targets, like cars. This time, hunting shotguns, as well as gasoline bombs and rocks, have been turned on the police.

"From what our colleagues on the scene tell us, this is a situation that is a lot worse than what we saw in 2005," Patrice Ribeiro, a police officer and senior union official, told RTL radio Tuesday. He added, "A line was crossed last night, that is to say, they used weapons, they used weapons and fired on the police. This is a real guerrilla war."

Ribeiro warned that the police, who have struggled to avoid excessive force, would not be fired upon indefinitely without responding.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: france; parisriots; rop; shotguns; youths
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To: Senormechanico

Mayhap, but why kill all of then when shooting some of them would accomplish the same thing? As long as a person is still alive, he/she is still salvageable.


61 posted on 11/27/2007 9:22:13 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: billmor

oops...sorry for the Steve Martin tagline...innapropriate here...this is a serious situation...


62 posted on 11/27/2007 9:22:54 PM PST by billmor
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To: TheLion
"Personally, I think they need to be rounded up and put in prison....but that is just me."

Is there any room in Le Bastille?

yitbos

63 posted on 11/27/2007 9:23:00 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: redpoll
"Soon there will come a point when the European cultural response will emerge, as it has done in the past. "

If they mess with Sarkozy long enough will he come up with a final solution?

yitbos

64 posted on 11/27/2007 9:32:29 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: fishhound
Welcome to the war on terror, France.

Don't bother coming inside, they'll deliver.

65 posted on 11/27/2007 9:34:00 PM PST by TChris (Cartels (oil, diamonds, labor) are bad. Free-market competition is good.)
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To: antinomian
It was Napoleon, another non French leader of France, who coined the term “a whiff of grapeshot”.

Maybe we could loan them a few of these cannister rounds, sort of a rent to own type thing:

This is the 120 mm version for the Abrams main gun. The French LeClerc tank also uses a 120 mm main gun, but I don't know if the ammunition is compatible or not, but I think not.

And this is the 105 mm NATO standard version, produced for the Stryker Mobile Gun System

I think the AMX-30 French tank could fire this, and possibly some of their wheeled armored vehicles as well.

66 posted on 11/27/2007 9:51:06 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Mariner

reminds me of the punt gun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KcQYnksNjY


67 posted on 11/27/2007 10:24:59 PM PST by fishhound
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To: robomatik

-fire up the tazers, it’s a war!


68 posted on 11/27/2007 10:28:03 PM PST by tioga (Dear Santa..........I can explain....)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

-we could send in Teddy as designated driver....just planning ahead. ;^)


69 posted on 11/27/2007 10:33:19 PM PST by tioga (Dear Santa..........I can explain....)
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To: tioga

Do you think Kerry’d go along to navigate. After all, he claims he managed to get to Cambodia one time.


70 posted on 11/27/2007 10:37:47 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: TASMANIANRED
>>>If they are using weapons, it is time to fire back preemptively.<<<

Please forgive my hardnosed editorial revision

71 posted on 11/27/2007 11:09:34 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: Mariner

“I told him (the Superintendant of Police) to issue an order immediately and under his signature, to shoot to kill any arsonists, or anyone with a molotov cocktail in his hand, because they’re potential murderers. And to shoot to maim or cripple anyone looting any stores in our city.”

- Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley, response to the riots that broke out on April 4, 1968, following the murder of Martin Luther King, Jr. in Memphis, TN


72 posted on 11/27/2007 11:11:57 PM PST by karnage
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To: fishhound

Long past time to apply Rule 308 to a few of those scum.


73 posted on 11/27/2007 11:29:03 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: redpoll

There is certainly historical precedent.

I’m not sure the underlying ruthlessness is still present.


74 posted on 11/27/2007 11:36:59 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: robomatik

In the USA, it seems to me, the police take every measure, including the use of deadly force, to prevent this sort of circumstance. Remember the movie, Fort Apache ? This was based on a real nickname of a police station in the Bronx, IIRC. The Villiers le Bel police station was burned down on the first night. The movie was over in the first reel. How can they allow this?


75 posted on 11/28/2007 12:03:57 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
The movie was over in the first reel. How can they allow this?

Sometimes life just throws a turd at you.

76 posted on 11/28/2007 12:06:51 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: redpoll
We’ll see.

Indeed. It's a truism that enforced habits will at length extinguish innate tendencies. When you finally turn back to them, you find they are no longer there.

77 posted on 11/28/2007 12:13:08 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: Cementjungle
Sometimes life just throws a turd at you.

Quite often, in fact. I'm not sure I get your gist. Are you saying there's nothing the French can do about this? That they must endure humiliation and ultimate subjugation to this barrage of turds?

78 posted on 11/28/2007 12:18:12 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
Are you saying there's nothing the French can do about this? That they must endure humiliation and ultimate subjugation to this barrage of turds?

If they really want to "assimilate" these people and continue to appease them, then yes, they had better get used to it.

79 posted on 11/28/2007 12:23:13 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle
If they really want to "assimilate" these people and continue to appease them, then yes, they had better get used to it.

Assimilation and appeasement are not the same thing. They are more nearly opposite, in fact. Appeasement implies, first of all, the recognition of them as an alien power. Assimilation requires that they be forced to recognize the law of the land. You can readily see from the many news items that they are very far from doing this ... on either side.

80 posted on 11/28/2007 12:29:33 AM PST by dr_lew
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