The Nazis Were Marxists

American Thinker ^ | November 25, 2007 | Bruce Walker

[ECM]

The Nazis were Marxists, no matter what our tainted academia and corrupt media wishes us to believe. Nazis, Bolsheviks, the Ku Klux Klan, Maoists, radical Islam and Facists -- all are on the Left, something that should be increasingly apparent to decent, honorable people in our times. The Big Lie which places Nazis on some mythical Far Right was created specifically so that there would be a bogeyman manacled on the wrists of those who wish us to move "too far" in the direction of Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater.

[MarkL]

Actually, the NAZI regime was more closely aligned with (political and economic) Fascism, where private ownership of capital is allowed, however the economy is directed by the government.

Yes, I do realize that the word "socialist" occurs in the German phrase that NAZI represents, but "just because there are kittens in the oven don't make em biscuits!"

The Soviet Union and China were communist states, with socialist economies, however China has moved towards a limited fascist economy

Mark

[MarkL]

Call them whatever else you will...both were and are repressive, ignore individual unalianebale rights, are totalitarian and lead to genocide...but they also differ in the finer points of how to implement their totalitarian regimes.

That's the biggest problem with socialism... Everyone must "participate" otherwise it won't work. And those who don't want to participate will be made to do so. That's where the totalitarianism comes in.

Usually the only way to get 100% participation is through the brutal subjugation of those who don't want to participate. Or, in the case of a "democratic socialist" state, the majority simply votes to take the stuff of the minority.

Mark

[ichabod1]

Hitler's aversion to Old Testament teaching was part and parcel of his infamous anti-Semitism.

He wasn't too fond of the parts of the NT written by the "Jew Paul" either.

[Noumenon]

You are correct, Jeff. And here is from the horse's mouth, so to speak:

"The Party is all-embracing. It rules our lives in all their breadth and depth. We must therefore develop branches of the Party in which the whole of individual life will be reflected. Each activity and each need of the individual will thereby be regulated by the Party as the representative of the general good. There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism - not such trifles as the private means of production. Of what importance is that if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. All that, you see, is unessential. Our Socialism goes far deeper..."

 

"The people about us are unaware of what is really happening to them. The gaze fascinated at one or two superficialities, such as possessions and income or rank and other outworn conceptions. As long as these are kept intact, they are quite satisfied. But in the meantime, they have entered a new relation; a powerful social force has caught them up. They themselves are changed. What are ownership and income to that? Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings."
Adolph Hitler - Rauschning, The Voice of Destruction pp 191-193

That's a hard book to find, long out of print. The chilling thing about it is that the pedigree of Hitler's ideas finds so much in common with Islam and the Left.

Time for a new Crusade.

[Noumenon]

And the whole Ponzi scheme collapses 50, 60 or 70 years later whe nit runs out of victims to loot.

[Calpernia]

[sgtyork]

I’m a Hayek fan as some of the other posters. He chronicaled the progress of the jack boot in Germany and specifically compared it to Stalin’s worker’s paradise. In the end, discriminating between German fascism and Soviet Communism is pretty meaningless.

As Hayek would say, they both emphasize utopian models which in the end allows them to dehumanize the people they rule. They need to control every aspect of their populace’s lives. The death camps and the work camps are a natural result of socialism whether national or soviet. They compete for being the worst bane of humanity.

We need to concentrate our efforts on seeing the new fascism / socialism raising its bestial head in our own politics (hello hillary, barach, and john).

[ozzymandus]

“The American Thinker” didn’t think this through very well. The Nazis were socialists, not marxists. Anti-communism, AKA “Jewish Bolshevism”, was Adolph’s big talking point.

[do the dhue]

Great post and may I add the written words of Ronald reagan?

Reagan went to a meeting of the board of the veterans' organization he had joined, a meeting being held in an abandoned store that had been lent to the group. He sat on one of the folding chairs. "As soon as I sat down," he writes, "every member on the board who had been sitting on that side of the aisle got up and moved across to the other side, leaving me to sit along. Shortly after that , I learned the group had become another front for the Communist Party in Hollywood."

http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/reagan.htm

[do the dhue]

Here is a good video that fits this thread:

Be warned there are some disturbing pictures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT3v3wNyET8

Evil is powerless if good people are unafraid. Ronald Reagan

I have no fear. Angels follow me wherever I may go. And He that walks with me, who can be against me?

[goldstategop]

The Germans attacked the Soviet Union when they could have finished off the British Empire. That was the major error from which Hitler never recovered.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[bone52]

The Nazi party was originally strongly socialistic. This was especially the case of the SA. However, Hitler decided that the SA was dangerous and used the SS to destroy the SA. After that point in time, the destruction of capitalism was no longer pursued by the Nazi party.

[Mr. Mojo]

Accurately stated distinctions.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Unfortunately, the Left isn't alone in identifying Nazism as their absolute opposite and antithesis. Nazis (both classic and modern) do this as well, loudly condemning "Asiatic Bolshevism" and "materialism."

There are sectors of the "right"--and even of the conservative movement--that base their opposition to the Left not on economic theories but on notions of tradition, "nature," and "organic" and "wholistic" theories of life. There is more stress on this than on specific economic policies in Nazi "anti-Communist" rhetoric, and in that of distributivists, social credit advocates, European conservatives, and even some American "palaeos." An amazing number of people who consider themselves to be "real conservatives" advocate such things as the abolition of interest and even nationalization of the banks.

For the record, I also think that some conservatives overstress economics to the detriment of G-d and morality.

One final critique: the author contradicts himself when he first describes German industrialists as being anti-Nazi specifically because of Nazi socialism and then turns right around and describes German industrialists as being pro-Bolshevik. So were German industrialists for or against socialism?

[MarkL]

And the whole Ponzi scheme collapses 50, 60 or 70 years later whe nit runs out of victims to loot.

Unless they've expanded their base, in which case there's plenty more looting to do... Whether by exporting their politics, or by war.

A perfect example is Cuba... There hasn't been anything more to loot for a long time, but while the USSR was supporting Castro, it wasn't that big a deal. Still, Castro needed to export his brand of communism. And he did a good job of it.

Mark

[MarkL]

You make a good point. In the end, the difference between Communism and Fascism only matters to the people at the very top of the food chain, and the owners of industry. For everyone else, things wound up being pretty much the same.

Mark

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

Whenever I hear someone refer to a conservative as a Nazi, here is the argument I offer:

“I’m going to give you a list of characteristics that define an ideology and the founder of that ideology. There’s a quiz at the end of it so listen carefully:

1. A Socialist who believes all business should be run by the State and all profits made by business should be the property of the State.
2. Despises personal profit as greedy and against the good of the state.
3. Believes in a strong, state-run education system to instill the ideologies of “the party” counter to the teachings of parents and families.
4. Has full run of the media and used it exclusively to propagandize the views of the party.
5. When their economic system weakens, they seek to tighten regulations on business and to absorb the economies of others to compensate.
6. Anti gun and even implements and then enforces a national confiscation of firearms.
7. Pro abortion.
8. Pro euthanasia.
9. Pro eugenics.
10. Animal-rights activist.
11. Vegetarian.
12. Believes personal sexual fetishes are fine and a private matter, especially for politicians.
13. Hates Christianity and anti-religion in general, though tries to use the church for political support when needed.
14. Vehement anti-smoker who wants to ban all smoking nationally.
15. Believes in national healthcare as part of their Socialist platform.
16. Tries to enforce national exercise programs for both the physical and fiscal health of the State.

I’ve just highlighted some of the traits of Hitler and his Nazi party, which roughly translates as the ‘National Socialist Party.’ Here’s the quiz: Does this sound more like today’s American Christian conservative, or the left wing of the Democrat party?”

[Wuli]

“The Nazis were Marxists, no matter what our tainted academia and corrupt media wishes us to believe. Nazis, Bolsheviks, the Ku Klux Klan, Maoists, radical Islam and Facists — all are on the Left, something that should be increasingly apparent to decent, honorable people in our times. The Big Lie which places Nazis on some mythical Far Right was created specifically so that there would be a bogeyman manacled on the wrists of those who wish us to move “too far” in the direction of Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater.”

The Big Lie was created much earlier than that.

It began during World War II when leftist organizations in the west began the myth that the alliance of the western Allies and the Soviet Union was a political alliance against the “fascists”; and by the end of the war were extending that myth to the further myth that to be anti-left was to be pro-fascist.

In fact there was no political alliance between the Soviets and the Allies. The west would have allied with a Czarist Russia, if one existed at the time and if it too was at war with Germany. The west’s alliance with the Soviets during World War II was an alliance of convenience and nothing more.

[Bosco]

That's a real good list.

In my previous experience with Lefties on college campuses, the Nazi moniker is hurled at Conservatives due to not legitimizing/accepting/supporting their involvement in item #12.

Heaven help you if you question their sexual proclivities and deviance. Then you're a Nazi.

However, the funniest way that I've seen handling the "Nazi" thing is by P.J. O'Rourke.

He essentially says that he's O.K. with being called a Nazi because on the whole, there are very few women who have a sexual fantasy of being ravished by someone dressed as a Liberal.

[AnalogReigns]

Nazi’s were Marxists? Yeah, right.

Read the article, if you want to avoid ignoramousity...

Just because you have two versions of collectivism/socialism/marxism which hated each other, doesn't make them opposite ends of the political scale.