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Wolf debate hits close to home for ranchers ( Canadian wolves )
Associated Press...The Billings Gazette ^ | November 24, 2007 | MATTHEW BROWN

Posted on 11/24/2007 6:50:43 PM PST by george76

PRAY - For rancher Randy Petrich, the removal of gray wolves from the endangered-species list - a move that would open up the animals to hunting in the Northern Rockies for the first time in decades - couldn't come soon enough.

Petrich has seen fresh wolf tracks almost every morning this fall - close enough to threaten his cattle.

"I believe that any wolf on any given night, if there happens to be a calf there, they will kill it," ...

Just 12 years since the wolves were reintroduced into Yellowstone National Park ... federal officials say the sharp rise in the wolf population in the region justifies removing them from the endangered species list.

It took $24 million of federal funds and more than two decades to bring wolves back ...

After years of debate, an initial 66 wolves were transplanted into the park from Canada beginning in 1995. Now, an estimated 1,545 roam Idaho, Montana and Wyoming - more than enough, federal official say, to justify removing them from the endangered-species list.

"The more of something you have, the less valuable each individual piece becomes," said Ed Bangs, the Fish and Wildlife Service's wolf recovery project leader. "If you have more wolves than you have now, it's really going to start causing a lot of problems."

David Mech, a University of Minnesota researcher considered one of the world's leading experts on wolf behavior, predicted populations in the Northern Rockies could hold steady or keep expanding, even with hunting permitted...

Since reintroduction, wolf numbers have increased 20 percent to 30 percent a year as the animals thrived in a habitat flush with elk, moose and other prey. Even where entire packs were taken out to curb livestock kills, new packs have quickly filled the gap.

(Excerpt) Read more at billingsgazette.net ...


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To: GladesGuru; Grampa Dave

Liberals think that food comes from a box or a can.

They have no concept that someone gets up early to work long hours on a farm or a ranch...


81 posted on 11/26/2007 7:14:36 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: PzLdr

For all practical purposes, unless there is a video of the “nice wolfie” killing the livestock, Defebders won’t pay.

Defenders is another socialism impaired division of GangGreen.


82 posted on 11/26/2007 7:16:11 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I never handled either, but have read that handling them in the past was difficult. They are basically wild animals, potentially aggressive, and larger and stronger than beef cattle. Those are the negatives.

But today, we have better methods of handling them, they can take care of themselves, they are far better adapted to survival on the plains, and the meat they produce is better for human consumption.

As a matter of fact, I remember reading somewhere that the old Texas Longhorns produced a beef that was lower in cholesterol and fat, were capable of surviving on rougher forage, were better at survival on the plains, and were abandoned as a primary source of meat as moving them by railroad was more difficult and people had acquired a fondness for the fatter, more domesticated beef cattle.


83 posted on 11/26/2007 7:53:53 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: george76; SierraWasp; tubebender; editor-surveyor; BOBTHENAILER

“Liberals think that food comes from a box or a can.

They have no concept that someone gets up early to work long hours on a farm or a ranch...”

Which is why I no longer belong to any liberal controlled save the fish or critter association like: Cal Trout, Oregon Trout, Trout Unlimited, Save the Stripers, Save our Rivers and on down the list.

These elite fly fishers don’t want any dams and just want water for their Fish Gods. Their goals are $crew the farmer, rancher, logger and anyone who makes an honest living using water and electricity.


84 posted on 11/26/2007 7:55:48 AM PST by Grampa Dave (("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007))
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To: Scotsman will be Free

See:

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle/texaslonghorn/


85 posted on 11/26/2007 7:56:36 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Grampa Dave

You got that right GD. I even have my doubts about DU but they still seem to represent real duck hunters...


86 posted on 11/26/2007 8:07:09 AM PST by tubebender (The probability of being watched is directly proportional to the stupidity of your act.)
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To: Grampa Dave
To get up to speed on this issue, all here would be well advised to obtain a copy of the Winter, 2006 issue of Range magazine.
87 posted on 11/26/2007 9:04:32 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: ZULU

Well, it is about flavor, and tenderness. The more fat that is marbled in the meat, the more flavor, and the more tender it is. Lean meats(venison comes to mind) are usually tougher.
I’ve handled, and still do, cattle. That can be a rodeo all by itself. One fellow I know had buffalo, and their corrals were made out of steel guard rail.
Bottom line, if there isn’t a big, ready market for it, as there is for beef, a fellow would be taking a big chance, and expense, going to buffalo. Currently, it’s more of a niche market.


88 posted on 11/26/2007 7:37:26 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

What about longhorns or Scottich Highland Cattle?


89 posted on 11/27/2007 2:10:06 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU; Scotsman will be Free

Don’t recall seeing a “Wolves Not Allowed” sticker on those breeds; I’m also sure they eat feed and aren’t fireproof either.

What we really need is a cow that drops calves that are market weight, so all we have to do is get ‘em walking and put ‘em in the truck. I’ll get on that as soon as I finish counting all my money....

Another suggestion I’ve heard as treatment for the wolves is Claymores, but some folks might put a couple on their front porch for the next visit by Gubmint men.

(....gotta keep smilin’. Granddaughter calls me by my full first name instead of “Papa” when I get grumpy, and I don’t like the sour stomach anyway.)


90 posted on 11/27/2007 6:09:13 AM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet (I've given up on the DBM. I can walk around in enough manure I don't need any stuck in my ears.)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

Well, let’s see. Nah. If they are full grown when born we’ll be pulling calves and turning momma cows inside out all day long. Hows about inflatable calves? They come out normal size. While putting the lasticator band on them, etc pull the lanyard and step back. They expand like a life raft.


91 posted on 11/27/2007 6:17:53 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

...okay, but my idea gets the old cow out of the shed and on her way to rendering along with the calf, so we wind up with NOTHING out in the pasture. (Except maybe some Claymores and wolf carcasses.)

OTOH, we could really save some transportation costs if we bred inflatable cows and only popped the suckers when we unloaded ‘em at the yard.

(Gotta stop this silliness and get back to work......good grins, though.)


92 posted on 11/27/2007 6:44:17 AM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet (I've given up on the DBM. I can walk around in enough manure I don't need any stuck in my ears.)
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To: george76

I’m pretty much divided on this. I like the fact wolves have been saved from extinction...but I understand the ranchers concerns.


93 posted on 11/27/2007 6:45:31 AM PST by Badeye (That Karma thing keeps coming around, eh Sally? (chuckle))
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

American Bison are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves with regards to wolves or weather and don’t need special forage. Wolves could probably pick off a weakened or old animal or a young calf unlucky enough to get separated from the main herd. But I wouldn’t want to be the wolf that got in the way of an angry buffalo in good condition, especially if it had back-up.

Texas Longhorns are a lot tougher than commercial beef cattle and probably would give a wolf a run for its money.

Both Texas Longhorns and Scottish Highland cattle are hardier than commercial beefs and more tolerant of adverse weather conditions.

At any rate, I love Buffalo meat, and would more than happy to bag one for myself one day.


94 posted on 11/27/2007 7:08:47 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Badeye

These Canadian wolves are imported and expanding at over 20 percent per year.

The feds put the wolves into Yellowstone knowing that they would spread across the country.

It is the small, family ranchers who are going extinct. At their bankruptcy sale, Ted Turner and friends will buy up the former working ranch to build a luxury lodge for his Hollywood friends to visit.

Then your food will be raised in feed lots, full of growth hormones and lots of other drugs.

The family ranchers just want the right to defend themselves from extinction.


95 posted on 11/27/2007 7:47:12 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I understand all that you wrote.


96 posted on 11/27/2007 8:22:16 AM PST by Badeye (That Karma thing keeps coming around, eh Sally? (chuckle))
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Father of wolf victim relieved to have answers

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97 posted on 12/22/2007 9:48:50 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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Wolves Suspected in Death of 22-year-old Ontario Man

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98 posted on 12/22/2007 9:51:44 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Mike Darancette

“They should look into dogs to help guard their herds.


Sorry Mr. Mike but that is a cruel way to kill a dog.


99 posted on 12/22/2007 9:55:05 AM PST by biscuit jane
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To: PzLdr

Defenders of Wildlife has been paying ranchers for lost livestock, when proven to be a wolf kill for years. And as I recall, wolves that kill livestock are subject to execution.


Lie. Ranchers are rarely paid. And when they are it is a long time before any money comes in.
This was a marketing tool used to convince the American public that the wolf-program would not have a financial impact on the local economies.

Truth is the money spent per-wolf is far more than anyone has gotten for the dead stock.

Also, Wolves are only killed if the rancher is there when it happens.


100 posted on 12/22/2007 10:06:45 AM PST by biscuit jane
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