J.F.K.’s Death, Re-Framed

New York Times ^ | November 22, 2007 | MAX HOLLAND and JOHANN RUSH

[decimon]

FORTY-FOUR years ago today, a clothing company owner named Abraham Zapruder filmed the assassination of John F. Kennedy in Dallas. And for 44 years, most people have presumed that his home movie captured the assassination in its entirety. This presumption has led to deep misunderstandings.

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But what if Zapruder simply hadn’t turned on his camera in time?

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If the commission had followed up this insight, it would have conceivably been able to describe the duration and intervals of the shooting sequence: that Oswald fired three shots in approximately 11.2 seconds, with intervals of 6.3 seconds and 4.9 seconds between the shots.

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[Uncle Hal]

One of the 3 men near the RR tracks questioned by the police and released after the assassination was Woody Harrelson’s dad, He had a long criminal record and spent a lot of time in jail.

[2111USMC]

"using a mail order carbine, simply because he'd briefly been a Marine."

If you knew anything about Marine Corp rifle training, you'd be embarrassed that you even wrote that sentence.

[DOGEY]

How can you possibly believe this? There were multiple shooters, including George W. Bush who was very young at the time, but still a crack shot. Several aliens, not illegal but extraterrestrials, were hovering over the grassy knoll, and firing phasers. I would like to finish this, but its time for my medicine.

[lilylangtree]

But the Russians who went to the shooting range with Oswald while he lived in Russia stated about 1992 that he was a lousy shot. Plus the cartridges at the library were found side be side so that it looked like they were planted. Plus, it’s been proven that with the Manlicher Carcano gun it would take longer to get 3 shots off and require more accuracy than Oswald was qualified for. Oswald was a patsy by some combined forces within and outside the govt. Unless someone breaks ranks and writes their own unique book with credible information that can be proven, we’ll never know the real truth.

[Cvengr]

I don’t really care. I simply observe all the players who have been alleged from one conspiracy theory to another have consistent ties to disparate stretches of what might be loosely phrased as ‘operative’ masonry. That doesn’t mean any one or token grouping of players may have been cognitive of the full picture or even the actual operative conditions being played. Merely an observation, which is unique from many other explanations of worldly events.

[rellimpank]

—see #71 and #82-—

[Freedom of Speech Wins]

No idea what to believe. Giancana did claim that in his book titled I believe Doublecross.

[Shooter 2.5]

The three tramps were identified as Harold Doyle, John Forester Gedney and Gus W. Abrams. The relatives and the men themselves who were still alive confirmed this.

You 11-22 Truthers just make stuff up as you go along don’t you?

[fabian]

yes, one must be very gullible to believe there was no shot from the grassy knoll. Those people know what they heard.

[decimon]

But the Russians who went to the shooting range with Oswald while he lived in Russia stated about 1992 that he was a lousy shot. Plus the cartridges at the library were found side be side so that it looked like they were planted. Plus, it’s been proven that with the Manlicher Carcano gun it would take longer to get 3 shots off and require more accuracy than Oswald was qualified for. Oswald was a patsy by some combined forces within and outside the govt. Unless someone breaks ranks and writes their own unique book with credible information that can be proven, we’ll never know the real truth.

Were the conspirators so incompetent as to choose for a patsy some guy who couldn't shoot straight and equip him with a rifle that couldn't shoot straight? It makes no sense to me that the conspirators could have been so incompetent in the execution of the crime but supremely competent in the cover-up.

[Sudetenland]

Now we’ve got the SchutzStaffel involved? I thought they were all in Argentina.

[Sudetenland]

Iheard eight tiny reindeer landing on the roof last Christmas.

[Eastbound]

So did James Files, back-up for Roselli, who supposedly fired the last shot to the head from the grassy knoll. Of all the theories, I think James Files is the most interesting, and most believable. Check the web for James Philes. HIs confession jibes with Giancana’s book.

[Sudetenland]

So...like you're a physisist? Wow where do you teach? I want to make sure my kids don't go to that school.

Ignorance is the foundation of all good conspiracy theories and that canard has been disproven so many times as to be hysterical that anyone still believes it...but never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy, eh Einstein?

I bet you believe that a guy getting shot by a 12 gauge shotgun will fly across a room too. Hollywood at it's finest.

[Names Ash Housewares]

“Both are equally nuts.”

agreed

As Reagan said, fruity as a nutcake.

Eventually history will leave them behind as footnotes to foolishness, right along with moon conspiracy or the other various delicious conspiracy flavors out there.

[Sapper26]

Well, I guess I should have specified that SS = Secret Service. Since we’re discussing conspiracies, maybe the Nazi’s should be included - everyone else has been.

[ALASKA]

What were you watching? Zapruder was near the Grassy Knoll, but not on it. If you are talking about the “spray” of the material from inside JFK’s head, it DOES NOT fly forward. It flies toward the left rear of the limo.....away from the Grassy Knoll. In fact, the motorcycle cop (Hargis?) riding behind that left rear corner of the limo was “sprayed” with blood and brain matter. He and his bike were covered......

[BigCinBigD]

Well. I’m the disturbing type.

[Eastbound]

Spelled the name wrong. Should be James Files.

[ALASKA]

This clip shows only the instant of impact and the initial explosion of JFK’s head. JFK’s head was already moving down (toward the front) due to his reaction to the throat shot. Show another couple of frames and the bloody mist moves toward the left rear of the limo.......