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Supreme Court to Take Up DC Ban Case
MSNBC ^ | 11/20/2007 | n/a

Posted on 11/20/2007 10:12:34 AM PST by Pyro7480

Breaking on MSNBC... Supreme Court to take up DC gun ban case

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist; dc; docket; heller; parker; scotus
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To: this is my name not yours

“BUY TWO, BURY ONE”

And don’t bury it in your freakin’ back yard! And don’t forget the ammo, sling or holster and cleaning kit to go with the one you didn’t bury in your backyard.


121 posted on 11/20/2007 1:23:50 PM PST by dljordan
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To: DCBryan1

“Paging Henry Bowman.....paging Henry Bowman.”

A great book, I read it every year just to make sure my heads in the right place.


122 posted on 11/20/2007 1:27:20 PM PST by dljordan
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To: ctdonath2
I hope you are right. Most of the "debate" I have read on the 2A has been either hyper-right or hyper-left with very little reasonable discussion in between.

I think the founders meant for the 2A to assert that "the People" have the right to keep and bear arms, and I am one of those people, as are you.

Is it an unviolable right with no restrictions? There's the rub. Let's say that the SC validates the 2A as an individual right that "shall not be infringed". As I fully expect they will. Does that mean that the NFA and GCA68 and any silly AWB are invalidated? Does that mean that felons cannot be prohibited from owning guns? Does that mean that everyone can wear a gun into a courtroom or the office? Of course, the antis will throw up the old bazooka and nuclear warhead arguments. What are reasonable restrictions?

Somehow I doubt that the SC will dig very deep into that pandora's box. They will say that yes, it is an individual right, and be very vague on restrictions.

Since this case revolves around the right of DC residents to possess a working gun "in the home", maybe that will force them to override local restrictions.

So if the 2A is validated as an individual right, what do you think will be the legal fallout as to the NFA, felons, domestic violence, etc?

123 posted on 11/20/2007 1:27:36 PM PST by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: AngryJawa

“Gentlemen, break out the Solothurns.”

All I could afford was a Lahti. With extra cream please.


124 posted on 11/20/2007 1:29:38 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Sender

Yes, people get kinda nutzoid over restrictions - mostly because they don’t understand basic safety and defense well enough to articulate a sane stance, ignorance which culminates in “but what about felons with nukes?” “YES!” “NO!”

This case is only focused on private “keep”ing at home, with a strong implication of bearing at home as well. [blink] Holy cow - They DID squeeze “bear” in! sort of, minimally, at home - but the second law referenced prohibited “bearing” a licensed item from one room to another. Anyway...

SCOTUS won’t dig deep, focusing just on the home. Restrictions should be limited to preventing collateral damage to neighbors should the arms “go off” (addressing the grenades & nukes question), domestic violence & felons restrictions will likely stand, with most other restrictions curtailed by the “privacy of one’s home” principle.

An area to consider: getting something TO one’s home. You’ve gotta bear that thing at SOME point, if only to get it from the dealer to your nightstand - and as that is critical to “keeping” the item, “bearing” outside the home could come into play.

Gonna be interesting.


125 posted on 11/20/2007 1:47:14 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Sender
Does that mean that felons cannot be prohibited from owning guns?

The crux of this issue is that a person may not be deprived of life, liberty (rights), or property, without due process of law.

A felon is denied life (in capital cases), liberty (freedom, while in jail, and other rights such as voting, choice of residence, and so on, upon release) and property (fines, forfeitures), WITH due process of law.

So it's arguable that denying felons the right to own firearms after their release is within the scope of the police power, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a lawsuit come up where a non-violent felon who has completed sentence, parole, and all other supervision sues for his right to armed self-defense.

126 posted on 11/20/2007 1:51:20 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Jasper
You for got the caption for that photo:

COME AND GET IT!


127 posted on 11/20/2007 2:03:40 PM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Pyro7480

From the court that found CFR constitutional

I ain’t optimistic

Once a country starts down the road to serfdom to it doesn’t recover

Just look at Britain and the rest of history


128 posted on 11/20/2007 3:20:56 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: gridlock
If you ask me, the Court has already tipped thier hands by substituting "state-regulated" for "well regulated. They are going to come down on the side of a collective right. The fix is in.

Have to agree -Just using that phrase is a giveaway
129 posted on 11/20/2007 3:24:58 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: ModelBreaker
Nope. This is probably not good news. The supremes could have left the lower court decision intact. It was a good decision.

Have to agree there also
130 posted on 11/20/2007 3:26:28 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: mvpel
A felon is denied life (in capital cases), liberty (freedom, while in jail, and other rights such as voting, choice of residence, and so on, upon release) and property (fines, forfeitures), WITH due process of law.

A felon is legitimately made a slave of the state, as permitted in the Thirteenth Amendment. The Second Amendment never applied to slaves. Of course, some people think the public at large should be slaves of the government--hence the need for disarmament.

131 posted on 11/20/2007 3:27:11 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: DCBryan1
...you guys want to comment on "when the balloon goes up" stuff to have?

Drugs, like aspirin, kaopectate, antibiotics, etc.

Oh, and some Claymores. They work really well for perimeter security...

5.56mm

132 posted on 11/20/2007 3:36:32 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Dead Corpse

Kinda like this one:

Buffy: I’m beyond tired. I’m beyond scared. I’m standing on the mouth of hell, and it’s going to swallow me whole. And it’ll choke on me. We’re not ready? They’re not ready. They think we’re gonna wait for the end to come, like we always do. I’m done waiting. They want an apocalypse? Oh, we’ll give ‘em one. Anyone else who wants to run... do it now. Because we just became an army. We just declared war. From now on we won’t just face our worst fears, we will seek them out. We will find them and cut out their hearts one by one until the First shows itself for what it really is. And I’ll kill it myself. There’s only one thing on this earth more powerful than evil. And that’s us. Any questions?


133 posted on 11/20/2007 3:57:31 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: cvq3842

Its worse than that in states like California that do not have a 2A type-provision in their state’ Constitutions. The Marxist legislature here would waste no time in banning ALL individual gun ownership - followed by an attempt at confiscation.


134 posted on 11/20/2007 4:03:17 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Pyro7480; Travis McGee
Not good.

This is probably not going to go our way. After all this court has already struck down the 1st amendment and private property rights.

135 posted on 11/20/2007 4:10:06 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Jasper

Terrific photo of the Minuteman, thanks!


136 posted on 11/20/2007 5:27:26 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: uncbob
From the court that found CFR constitutional I ain’t optimistic

Don't forget CO2 as pollution, and confiscation of private property for "property tax enhancement."

137 posted on 11/20/2007 5:30:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Any questions?

Yeah... What took you so long? ;-)

The die is cast. Let's see what pips are showing next March.

138 posted on 11/20/2007 5:32:45 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: uncbob; ModelBreaker
Well all I can say is that if the SC rules that individuals have no right to self-defense, and Hillary or Hussein get elected, I have a respectable pile of ammo and a Katadyn water filter. Molon labe.

I had to resign from my job today. I need to go and move my elderly parents to an assisted living home by next Monday, and my job said if I do that I would be fired. So I quit. I'm going to take care of my own.

And if the SC and the Democrats come for me, I'm going to take care of my own. I have lots of ammo and very little left to lose.

139 posted on 11/20/2007 5:51:00 PM PST by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: Sender
Prayers for you and your family going up to the Lord.

5.56mm

140 posted on 11/20/2007 6:02:02 PM PST by M Kehoe
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