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Security guard, 71, wins round with would-be robbers
The Miami Herald ^ | Tue, Nov. 20, 2007 | ANDREA TORRES AND JENNIFER LEBOVICH

Posted on 11/20/2007 6:34:52 AM PST by nin_kasi

Benito Valdez had settled in for the night security shift, listening to Spanish radio on a chair outside a Hialeah juice bar when he saw shadows coming toward him.

That's when the 71-year-old's training in the Cuban navy kicked in.

Two thugs -- who between them had at least one gun, a Halloween mask and a pair of fuzzy black slippers -- approached Valdez and told him not to move, police said.

Keeping his seat, Valdez rotated slightly and kicked his left leg at the man holding the gun.

Valdez then fired at least two shots in the air from his own handgun, sending the shadowy pair running to a waiting car.

''It all happened in fractions of a second. I figured they would be armed and I used that technique,'' Valdez said Monday night, outside El Palacio de los Jugos in Hialeah, where he returned for work less than 24 hours later.

``I could have killed them, but I spared their lives.''

Surveillance cameras captured the 3 a.m. incident at the juice bar and small market at West 24th Avenue and 78th Street.

After Valdez's swift kick, the would-be robbers ran away -- one of them in such a hurry that he left his black fuzzy house slippers behind, police said.

It's not clear what the pair wanted, though police suspect they were would-be robbers.

''I won the battle with only one kick,'' Valdez said Monday evening. The only mark the guard received was a small scrape from hitting the outside wall after he kicked the gunman. ``. . . These are inexperienced youngsters. My hope is that they realize they could have been dead and learn from this experience.''

Valdez has worked security jobs for years, said the store's owner, Jose Gutierrez.

It's the fourth time he's had to defend himself from an armed robbery, Valdez said.

''I have had a gun under my belt for years,'' said Valdez, who said he joined the Academia Naval de el Mariel when he was 18 and had a career in the Cuban Navy -- the Marina de Guerra Revolucionaria.

Flexing his left bicep Monday evening, Valdez told reporters he stayed strong by eating a lot of pickles.

Valdez ''wasn't nervous. He was calm,'' said Det. Carl Zogby, with the Hialeah Police Department. ``If you listen to him, he's got a lot of military experience, so this to him was nothing.''

Gutierrez isn't kidding around when it comes to security. Though the store is just a couple blocks from a police station, he has a $35,000 security system that uses 16 cameras -- not to mention a security guard who can intimidate toughs.

Gutierrez said he was proud of Valdez.

''We're going to give him a good Thanksgiving,'' Gutierrez said.

``A turkey, a bonus. He's part of the family.''

Hialeah police are looking for at least three men, two of them in their 20s, in a dark getaway car.

Anyone with information can call Hialeah Police Department Detective Pam Zorsky at 305-687-2525 or Miami-Dade Crime Stoppers at 305-471-8477.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 70; 70s; 70something; 70yo; followup
This is a follow-up story to http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927812/posts about the elderly guard who fought off two attackers.
1 posted on 11/20/2007 6:34:54 AM PST by nin_kasi
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To: nin_kasi

couldn’t get it.


2 posted on 11/20/2007 6:37:41 AM PST by cubreporter ( Rush has done more for this country than any other politician ever! He's the man!!!!)
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To: nin_kasi
This fellow is the walking living embodiment of Latin tough-talk machismo.

But, as they say, if you can do it, it ain't braggin'.

(I hope the young thugs are suitably humiliated by the announcement from a 71 year old that he magnanimously spared their lives.)

3 posted on 11/20/2007 6:41:03 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
``I could have killed them, but I spared their lives.''

Dumb move. When you have the chance to rid the streets of scum, do it.

4 posted on 11/20/2007 6:45:52 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: nin_kasi

Excuse me! I’m goin’ to the store to buy some pickles!


5 posted on 11/20/2007 6:48:20 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Long Island Pete
Oh, I think that's the machismo talking.

If you're really in a jam, you're aiming for center of mass and that's all. Whether the person lives or dies depends mostly on your accuracy, the caliber, and the exact path of the bullet.

It's also a really dumb idea to shoot into the air. "It fell to earth I know not where . . . " perhaps into the body of some innocent.

6 posted on 11/20/2007 6:49:00 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Bullets shot up into the air slow and stop usually if straight up, and they reach terminal velocity, and that is not enough to penetrate and kill people. Bruise the hell out of them yes, kill them no.

A bullet fired on a slight less than vertical trajectory will still slow and fall at something considerable less than the speed it left the muzzle. Those bullets can kill if the unintended target is close enough.

Either way though, you’re right. Firing into the center of mass is always a better option that shooting in to the air


7 posted on 11/20/2007 6:58:24 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

>>Valdez then fired at least two shots in the air from his own handgun<<

“When the rockets go up; who cares where they come down; it’s not my problem, says Werner von Braun” (Tom Lehrer)

The Miami-Dade county police dispatchers routinely issue a “take cover” advisory 5 minutes before the hour on New Year’s eve. Ain’t multiculturalism wonderful?


8 posted on 11/20/2007 7:05:29 AM PST by QBFimi
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To: Rick.Donaldson

>>Bullets shot up into the air slow and stop usually if straight up, and they reach terminal velocity, and that is not enough to penetrate and kill people. Bruise the hell out of them yes, kill them no.<<

Oh really? Does this include unfused infant skulls? Can you give us a demo?

>>A bullet fired on a slight less than vertical trajectory... can kill if the unintended target is close enough.<<

Close enough = a mile or less.

I’m an NRA Training Counselor (the guy who certifies new instructors). I was a federally certified officer before retirement, and am currently licensed to teach concealed carry courses in Utah, Colorado, and Kansas. For starters, may I humbly suggest that you take a Basic Pistol course. After that, try Personal Protection (both inside and outside the home) courses. Please. (p.s. Did you take any courses at the Saddam Hussein school of gun safety?)


9 posted on 11/20/2007 7:38:49 AM PST by QBFimi
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To: nin_kasi

It would’ve been a better idea to fire two or more warning shots to center of mass.


10 posted on 11/20/2007 8:02:42 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Every couple of years someone gets killed by falling ordnance in Mardi Gras in N.O., sometimes straight down into the top of a head.


11 posted on 11/20/2007 8:26:20 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper

Warn two of them by center-shooting the third one?


12 posted on 11/20/2007 8:27:24 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: arthurus
Well, I'm stating what I stated from pure physics. If you do the math, any bullet that goes STRAIGHT up, will come to a complete stop, reverse it's direction and come to a speed of "terminal velocity"... roughly 200 mph. Assuming it can get high enough, and won't kill a normal person.

I've heard such reports too, but to the best of my knowledge no one has ever proved this. Also, there's a show on Discovery channel, "The Mythbusters" who did a long show on this very thing.

Basically (from their site) they confirm pretty much what I said. So, bullets fired STRAIGHT UP won't kill someone. HOWEVER, humans can't fire bullets exactly straight up, almost an impossible feat.

Here's a quote from their site: In the case of a bullet fired at a precisely vertical angle (something extremely difficult for a human being to duplicate), the bullet would tumble, lose its spin, and fall at a much slower speed due to terminal velocity and is therefore rendered less than lethal on impact. However, if a bullet is fired upward at a non-vertical angle (a far more probable possibility), it will maintain its spin and will reach a high enough speed to be lethal on impact. Because of this potentiality, firing a gun into the air is illegal in most states, and even in the states that it is legal, it is not recommended by the police. Also the MythBusters were able to identify two people who had been injured by falling bullets, one of them fatally injured. To date, this is the only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.
13 posted on 11/20/2007 8:38:11 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

And just how many of these “rogue” bullets are fired exactly straight up? That is the quintessential “straw man” in this argument, the liberals’ favorite sort of argument. If we set up the computer simulation just right we can prove that something is inevitable/impossible. And what is the point of making this particular point? Does it show that you read a physics story in My Weekly Reader once? Do you mean to “prove” that shooting into the aìr is inherently safe? You can “prove” global warming or anything else by carefully selecting your datapoints.


14 posted on 11/20/2007 8:45:56 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: arthurus

Actually, no, you can’t “prove” Global Warming.

And you can’t prove that bullets fired straight up are going to kill anyone, but with math, you can prove they won’t.

You’re missing the points.

1) Bullets fired straight up do NOT come down with enough force to kill anyone.

2) People CAN’T easily fire bullets straight up by holding a weapon in their hands.

3) MOST bullets fired into the air are fired at an ANGLE and will indeed come down somewhere and either hit something or someone.

I never said “No one was ever killed”, I said the chances of those bullets being fired “into the air” of hitting someone is NIL. In fact, apparently it didn’t happen because there are no reports of anyone “being killed” by his bullets.

Furthermore it is idiotic to fire into the air - I was agreeing with you on that aspect. Shoot the target, center of mass, and know whats BEHIND your target.

You, and many other make rash assumptions about things you read and sometimes know, and you make rash assumptions about others (as in “Does it show that you read a physics story in My Weekly Reader once?”)

So, don’t get snotty an insulting simply because you disagree with something. Show me some facts on your alleged “every few years someone dies from bullets fired straight up” nonsense. That’s what that was, nonsense.


15 posted on 11/20/2007 8:54:35 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: QBFimi
Oh really? Does this include unfused infant skulls? Can you give us a demo?

Don't be an ass. No, I said "normal people", not infants. Can you cite where anyone has died from a bullet being fired straight up? I don't think you can.

Close enough = a mile or less.

Sure. Mile, even two. Depends on the bullet too. MOSTLY it depends on the trajectory.

I’m an NRA Training Counselor (the guy who certifies new instructors). I was a federally certified officer before retirement, and am currently licensed to teach concealed carry courses in Utah, Colorado, and Kansas. For starters, may I humbly suggest that you take a Basic Pistol course. After that, try Personal Protection (both inside and outside the home) courses. Please. (p.s. Did you take any courses at the Saddam Hussein school of gun safety?)

Nice for you, I'm glad you are trained and can train people, but don't think just because you're certified you know all the physics involved in ballistics. I don't think you do.

I HAVE taken several "pistol courses". I was in the military, and I've qualified on many weapons, on most as expert marksman. I have TAUGHT personal protection courses as well, so don't get it in your head I don't know anything about weapons.

Furthermore, I can tell you for a fact that most NRA instructors that I have personally known tell people a whole lot of non-facts as well.

My whole point here is that the man should have AIMED FOR CENTER OF MASS and not into the air. But, if you or anyone else is going to sit there and talk about a mythological "bullet shot into the air" (straight up, which was the point) then you're going to likely be wrong without facts to back you up.

I stand by the math. A bullet fired STRAIGHT UP will not come down with enough velocity to kill a normal adult human (No, I didn't say anything about babies or birds).

Anything other than straight up can be LETHAL, so get your facts straight before you start challenging what someone said, and don't cherry pick your arguments
16 posted on 11/20/2007 9:05:51 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: arthurus
Every couple of years someone gets killed by falling ordnance in Mardi Gras in N.O., sometimes straight down into the top of a head.

Prove this statement.
17 posted on 11/20/2007 9:07:02 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Never bring fuzzy slippers to a gun fight!


18 posted on 11/20/2007 11:02:48 AM PST by VanShuyten ("Believe me or not, his intelligence was perfectly clear...But his soul was mad.")
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To: arthurus

No, I tend to think he probably should’ve warned ALL of them by firing a couple of shots to center of mass each. :-)


19 posted on 11/22/2007 8:45:22 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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