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To: Rick.Donaldson

>>Bullets shot up into the air slow and stop usually if straight up, and they reach terminal velocity, and that is not enough to penetrate and kill people. Bruise the hell out of them yes, kill them no.<<

Oh really? Does this include unfused infant skulls? Can you give us a demo?

>>A bullet fired on a slight less than vertical trajectory... can kill if the unintended target is close enough.<<

Close enough = a mile or less.

I’m an NRA Training Counselor (the guy who certifies new instructors). I was a federally certified officer before retirement, and am currently licensed to teach concealed carry courses in Utah, Colorado, and Kansas. For starters, may I humbly suggest that you take a Basic Pistol course. After that, try Personal Protection (both inside and outside the home) courses. Please. (p.s. Did you take any courses at the Saddam Hussein school of gun safety?)


9 posted on 11/20/2007 7:38:49 AM PST by QBFimi
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To: QBFimi
Oh really? Does this include unfused infant skulls? Can you give us a demo?

Don't be an ass. No, I said "normal people", not infants. Can you cite where anyone has died from a bullet being fired straight up? I don't think you can.

Close enough = a mile or less.

Sure. Mile, even two. Depends on the bullet too. MOSTLY it depends on the trajectory.

I’m an NRA Training Counselor (the guy who certifies new instructors). I was a federally certified officer before retirement, and am currently licensed to teach concealed carry courses in Utah, Colorado, and Kansas. For starters, may I humbly suggest that you take a Basic Pistol course. After that, try Personal Protection (both inside and outside the home) courses. Please. (p.s. Did you take any courses at the Saddam Hussein school of gun safety?)

Nice for you, I'm glad you are trained and can train people, but don't think just because you're certified you know all the physics involved in ballistics. I don't think you do.

I HAVE taken several "pistol courses". I was in the military, and I've qualified on many weapons, on most as expert marksman. I have TAUGHT personal protection courses as well, so don't get it in your head I don't know anything about weapons.

Furthermore, I can tell you for a fact that most NRA instructors that I have personally known tell people a whole lot of non-facts as well.

My whole point here is that the man should have AIMED FOR CENTER OF MASS and not into the air. But, if you or anyone else is going to sit there and talk about a mythological "bullet shot into the air" (straight up, which was the point) then you're going to likely be wrong without facts to back you up.

I stand by the math. A bullet fired STRAIGHT UP will not come down with enough velocity to kill a normal adult human (No, I didn't say anything about babies or birds).

Anything other than straight up can be LETHAL, so get your facts straight before you start challenging what someone said, and don't cherry pick your arguments
16 posted on 11/20/2007 9:05:51 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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