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JOHNSON: It's beginning to look again like the 'War on Christmas'
Rocky Mountain News ^ | November 17, 2007 | Bill Johnson

Posted on 11/19/2007 6:58:30 PM PST by george76

Crud. Here we go again.

Strap on your flak jackets - ceramic plates are not required - and load up the snowballs. We've got another "War on Christmas" raging.

I know, it is simply the silliest thing.

Hang on a second. Can I even write "Christmas" here? The last thing I want is to offend any non-Christian readers. But "The holiday that falls on Dec. 25" seems unwieldy.

Then again, so is every battle waged in this so-called war, from displays of colored lights to "holiday" trees. It is downright stupid, too, this annual November rush to "defend" Christmas, a time that makes otherwise-intelligent men and women turn into bile-spewing, foot-stamping children.

Consider Larimer County Sheriff Jim Alderden. He is a fine and quite funny man in conversation, yet someone ought to inform him that a Christmas tree has as much to do with Christianity as a catcher's mask.

Still, the sheriff has invited the public to come to his headquarters on Dec. 1 to help him decorate the tree he plans to display as a protest against a Fort Collins task force's equally silly recommendation that the city dump its tree and allow only secular displays and white lights on city property.

The sheriff is putting up a Christmas tree to defend his religious freedoms.

Sheriff Alderden pretty much lays it out in the latest edition of the Bull's-eye, the newsletter he publishes on the department's Web site.

In it, he is vexed, to put it mildly: "Fort Collins is becoming more like the imbecilic borough of Boulder than many would like to admit, where social agendas substitute for common sense."

He blasts the task force's recommendation to city council that acceptable symbols be limited to snowflakes, snowmen, snowballs, ice skates, skis, penguins and polar bears, calling it stupid.

(Excerpt) Read more at rockymountainnews.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: christmas; waronchristmas; waronchristmas2007
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To: ichabod1
Let the retail stores decide. As they emulate stores like Lowes which are devoid of Christmas, they will slowly kill the Christmas spirit. Sales will fall off and the anti capitalists will be happy, the true Christians will adjust to the true meaning of Christmas and the retailers will be dazed.
21 posted on 11/19/2007 8:00:52 PM PST by paguch
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To: acapesket

Merry Christmas all!!!


22 posted on 11/19/2007 8:14:34 PM PST by 444Flyer ("Oly Oly Oxen Free!" Matt 3:1-3,Rev 22:17,John 3:1-36, Jeremiah 29:13,Jude 9, Eph 6, Rev 12:11)
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To: Irene Adler

Keep a close eye on your display and make sure it is well anchored. My little nativity - just 3 pieces - was stolen not long after I put it up for the first time. That was two years ago. I haven’t tried again.


23 posted on 11/19/2007 8:19:11 PM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: acapesket
Merry Festivus! According to the Festivus tradition, it is time for the "Airing of Grievances".

"I've got allot of problems with some of you people!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus

24 posted on 11/19/2007 8:33:45 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Frank Sheed
If your store won’t say “Christmas,” I’m not saying “Charge it”!

Here, here! Any store that advertises their Christmas merchandise or sales as anything other than Christmas, will not get my Christmas shopping period.

When a “holiday” comes up, of which there are many, I may do that holiday shopping there, that is what they advertise for. If they want me to do my Christmas shopping, they will advertise Christmas sales.

Kohls is one store that goes out of their way to say everything but Christmas. Even their commercials, which are wintery.........sort of, but not Christmasy. Sorry but It’s Delovey, delicious?? Sounds like the fourth of July or any other “holiday” that comes in summer or early fall, not winter, not Christmas. When people say to me Happy Holidays, I ask them, you mean all 20 some odd of them?

25 posted on 11/19/2007 8:59:51 PM PST by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I wasn’t aware that Muslims had that much power in this country.

Here is the “Fort Collins Holiday Display Task Force,” most of whom happen to be Jewish, who are offended by Christmas. They head up the “Fort Collins Holiday Display Task Force,” which decided that the Fort Collins ‘holiday lights’ were ‘too religious,’ and needed to be banned. I guess its safe to assume by their actions that Christians are NOT the majority in Fort Collins?

Seth Anthony — Northern Colorado Chapter of the ACLU
Gail Burger — Cobblestone Shores Homeowners Association
Cassie Castleberry — Non-affiliated
Howard Cohen — Non-affiliated
Shedd Farley — ESF Construction
Marty Goldberg — Temple Or Hadash
Saul Hopper — Anti-Defamation League
Arlyn Kettner — Faith Evangelical Free Church
Steve Lovaas — Non-affiliated
Susan Omori — Congregation Har Shalom
Parker Preble — Not In Our Town Alliance (NIOTA)
James C. Ross — Fort Collins Human Relations Commission
Karen Schwartz — Northern Colorado Jewish Council Corp.
Rev. Rich Thompson — Plymouth Congregational Church
Don Willette — John XXIII University Parish

http://www.fcgov.com/holidaydisplay/force-members.php

Does the Christmas holiday offend Jews? Well, I can’t speak for all of them like you apparently can, but here are quite a few who are using their considerable influence in an official capacity to ban Christmas displays. And not of a one of them seems to be of ME extraction and/or wearing a turban.

Anecdotes are fun, but facts are so much more interesting.


26 posted on 11/19/2007 9:02:01 PM PST by Demophilus
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To: Frank Sheed
I was in Walmart today and I actually heard a religious CHRISTMAS song playing! I spent lots of money there for presents for soldiers.
27 posted on 11/19/2007 9:10:25 PM PST by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: Irene Adler; All

Walmart has a very nice large card-like item for the yard that says...”A son is born” with a beautiful star in a blue sky and a pic of Baby Jesus...(I think)


28 posted on 11/19/2007 9:13:10 PM PST by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: Chickensoup

Yes, I agree absolutely!


29 posted on 11/19/2007 9:27:59 PM PST by Irene Adler (')
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To: mollynme

Thank you for your very kind advice. Mine will be fairly heavy, but you are entirely correct, I need to anchor it into the ground in some way as well. I am very sorry yours was taken. Some people are really jerks.


30 posted on 11/19/2007 9:29:19 PM PST by Irene Adler (')
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To: george76

My new worker keeps calling our upcoming Christmas party a holiday party. I just want to puke when he says it. I don’t know why. It just bothers me. I am going to sit down with him and discuss this with him if he says it again. Everyone else calls it a Christmas Party.


31 posted on 11/19/2007 9:30:03 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: familyop

32 posted on 11/19/2007 10:04:04 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Frank Sheed

Good sticker:


33 posted on 11/19/2007 10:05:12 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: napscoordinator

Good idea.


34 posted on 11/19/2007 10:06:10 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I’m getting ready to drag out my huge animated display commemorating “Holiday Baby”, with a big rainbow over it of course, because that star thing-y might get someone upset.


35 posted on 11/19/2007 10:17:25 PM PST by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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To: george76

Thanks, george76. I’ve read about the controversies in a couple of smaller towns down there, but have their been any such disputes in Denver? It doesn’t seem likely in west Denver at all. A few of the smaller ranchers up here go all out with big Christmas displays, and a rare fewer will put up a menorah.


36 posted on 11/19/2007 10:29:57 PM PST by familyop
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To: Demophilus; Bloody Sam Roberts
Demophilus wrote:
"Does the Christmas holiday offend Jews?"

Let's put that more into the context of the situation.

Fort Collins task force releases holiday policy proposal (public protected from religious symbols)
Greeley Tribune ^ | 11/09/07 | Rebecca Boyle

Excerpt:
The 15-member Holiday Display Task Force was created after a heated controversy during the past two years involving a request to place a menorah in Old Town Square. Representatives from the Chabad Jewish Center requested a menorah be allowed on city property just like a Christmas tree was. But the city council decided not to allow the menorah, fearing that it would open the floodgates to requests for everything from Wiccan symbols to reindeer to Nativity scenes.

That led to a temporary policy, initiated in October 2006, that specified the city's displays would include white or colored lights; trees, wreaths, garlands and other foliage; and written secular holiday messages, approved in advance by the city manager and city attorney.

Other displays were to be allowed at the discretion of department heads, but they must have been secular in nature. No menorah was allowed on city property.

CooperSmith's Pub & Brewing, in Old Town Square, decided to host a menorah last year, but that generated a mini-controversy of its own when the Downtown Development Authority was concerned the candelabra was encroaching upon DDA-owned property.



37 posted on 11/19/2007 10:46:13 PM PST by familyop
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To: george76

When we fight back we either lose or win. If we don’t fight back we lose every time. This man is carrying the ball for us.


38 posted on 11/20/2007 5:02:56 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: familyop

Seems like the usual suspects : ACLU every where, Boulder...now Fort Collins ?


39 posted on 11/20/2007 7:26:46 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: paguch

I find most holidays have been ruined. Thanksgiving used to be one of the days of the year when we got out the fine china and had an elegantly served dinner at the table. Yes, eating a lot was part of it, but not the whole thing.

Now people make too much food and eat it from heaping plates balanced on knees in front of the TV set. Talk about an excuse for overindulgence and gluttony! Most of them don’t believe in God so they have nothing to be thankful to. It’s just an excuse to do what they do most of the rest of the year anyway.

Fourth of July used to be a day for celebrating the traditions that made us the greatest country on the planet. Now we’re nothing but a nation of immigrants no better or worse than anybody else and the highest form of patriotism is the chipping away at those same white patriarchal traditions. Nothing to celebrate there. But the fireworks are fun.

Easter has pretty much been erased. Good time for a long weekend because the weather’s getting nice, that’s about it.

Valentines day is big! Unless you’re alone, then it’s hell.

Holidays suck.


40 posted on 11/20/2007 7:30:07 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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