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1 posted on 11/18/2007 6:22:47 AM PST by DogByte6RER
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——the “investors” obviously never heard of Carlo Ponzi-—


2 posted on 11/18/2007 6:25:42 AM PST by rellimpank (--we need a special font for <b>SARCASM</b>--NRA benefactor)
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We have one in Bakersfield: Crisp and Cole.

Its bottom fell out a couple of months ago, with the FBI apparently at the helm of the round-up.


3 posted on 11/18/2007 6:27:03 AM PST by bannie
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Related news reports on this mortgage fraud case:

“The man in the center” - http://www.pe.com/reports/2007/wealth/stories/PE_SR_20071118_duncan.d5cf6f1.html

“Early warning explained away” - http://www.pe.com/reports/2007/wealth/stories/PE_SR_20071118_lanuzo.d5e5918.html

“Key players: Among the people named in lawsuits filed by investors” - http://www.pe.com/reports/2007/wealth/stories/PE_SR_20071118_bios.d5a1ef6.html

“Companies named in investor lawsuits” - http://www.pe.com/reports/2007/wealth/stories/PE_SR_20071118_firms.d5db12e.html

“E-mail exchange: How crisis grew for one clergyman” - http://www.pe.com/reports/2007/wealth/stories/PE_SR_20071118_emails.d5f15c5.html


4 posted on 11/18/2007 6:28:06 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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The trust that was a cornerstone of the scheme is broken.

The cornerstone was greed, pure and simple. I have absolutely no sympathy for the speculators. They drove the price up on us all.

5 posted on 11/18/2007 6:29:46 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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The FBI in Chicago has predicted that mortgage fraud is the coming tsunami that will engulf the nation in a wave of fraud within the next two years.

www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/chi-mortgage-1-story,0,5744461.story
chicagotribune.com

‘If you are still making money selling drugs, you are an informant or about to be busted.
Mortgage fraud is the thing to do now.’

By David Jackson

Tribune staff reporter

November 5, 2005

A white-collar crime wave is raking Chicago’s poorest communities, robbing vulnerable families of their homes and draining billions of dollars from the U.S. economy.

During the last five years, as home loans became easier than ever to get and identity theft blossomed, mortgage fraud surged.

FBI officials say it now threatens to become a national financial epidemic. Gang members call it “the new street hustle.”


7 posted on 11/18/2007 6:32:21 AM PST by KeyLargo
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I wonder what these people think when they see a get rich quick on real estate info-mercial now?
The problem with taking that cash kick back on that over inflated appraised value when they short term financed those “investment properties” is that all it really was, was a second mortgage.
Greedy people that never thought this scheme through properly is what this is. It will sort itself out if the government would just leave it alone.


8 posted on 11/18/2007 6:33:14 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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The mortgage/equity issues is hard on everyone... to some degree; why do we have to subsidize those who didn’t give themselves proper cushioning to absorb their insanity?
9 posted on 11/18/2007 6:35:06 AM PST by Porterville (Don't bug me about my grammar, you are not that great.)
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I have no sympathy for the greedy.


10 posted on 11/18/2007 6:39:49 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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Wow. I live in the area, this is big and bad.


15 posted on 11/18/2007 6:59:38 AM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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I feel no remorse for those much wealthier than I.


21 posted on 11/18/2007 7:24:09 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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“Tsunami” alert.

I think last week it was “fire and brimstone.” Or locusts. Or frogs. Hard to keep up.


25 posted on 11/18/2007 7:56:45 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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From the article:

Scott Grossman, a lawyer representing Stonewood and Hendrix Montecastro, said investors are responsible for the truthfulness of their mortgage applications and cannot dispose of that responsibility by saying they signed papers with blanks that were filled in by others.

"It is a principle in California law that you cannot accuse someone of defrauding you if you were a willing participant," Grossman said.

27 posted on 11/18/2007 8:03:16 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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Real estate bubbles are one of the worst things that can happen to a modern society, short of catastrophic natural events and total war.

Alan Greenspan encouraged this particular manifestation.

I have to read “Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds” this afternoon, as it will be overdue soon.


28 posted on 11/18/2007 8:04:07 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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Economy/Credit/Housing Issues ping list

If you want on or off this list let me know


31 posted on 11/18/2007 8:12:46 AM PST by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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The script/talking points used by the perps to con their targets:

http://www.pe.com/reports/2007/wealth/Script.pdf


33 posted on 11/18/2007 8:20:22 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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Website set up by the investors/plaintiffs/victms:

http://www.coreclient.110mb.com


35 posted on 11/18/2007 8:22:54 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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There have been similar schemes in other areas and they’ve happened before.

They run-up prices higher than they should have been and it always involves some company that promises to make payments for them.

Aside from the larger-scale ramifications, it gives legitimate real estate investors a bad name.


36 posted on 11/18/2007 8:24:17 AM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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The entire southern california real estate market is one big ponzi scheme. Unfortunately more than a few Socal freepers have fallen for the scam.

It is very difficult to con someone who is not greedy.

(I noticed when I lived in Socal the mere mention of real estate would send the natives drooling and bragging about how rich they were. Those who sold out and got out in time did well--just as in any Ponzi scheme.)
42 posted on 11/18/2007 9:13:51 AM PST by cgbg (The fight has just begun against the bully (nanny) state.)
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You pays your money.

You takes your chances.

Investments really can only go up, or they can go down.

If you buy a mutual fund. It can go up, or it can go down. If you buy that mutual fund on margin, you can lose a lot of money, if it goes down.

Same with real estate.

Buying a house, with a no-down mortgage, is like buying equities on margin.

Except, without the margin requirement.

A lot of people, decided eventually after watching real estate soar skyward year after year, after year, while their friends and co-workers mentioned how many millions of dollars (literally) they were now worth simply from rampant real-estate value appreciation.

And they finally. In desperation, and with clouded judgement, concluded they would never be able to buy anything ever, unless they hurried up and did so RIGHT NOW.

Buying ... right at the top.

It’s sad so many didn’t remember, whenever there appears to be a “new paradigm”, it always means, a bubble is about to burst.

Now it has.

Investments now, are going down.

That happens.

Investments which never go down, are not investments.

They’re called welfare.


44 posted on 11/18/2007 9:18:15 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (I like Duncan Hunter)
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Sorry, no sympathy at all. Boom times always bring out shysters looking to scam innocent people. The smart innocent people say “if it seems too good to be to be true, it is.” The dumb innocent people get greedy and talk themselves into being taken by these “can’t miss” deals. All the warning signs were there.

They just got greedy. They got tired of working hard and saving and wanted the quick easy kill. They wanted something for nothing and fell for the promise for it. Greed will get you every time. I hope they learned way you don’t get something for nothing. Sorry they had to learn the hard way. Just hope the shysters do real time.


48 posted on 11/18/2007 10:15:09 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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