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Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 14 Nov 2007 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 11/14/2007 11:33:43 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything


By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:01pm GMT 14/11/2007

An impoverished surfer has drawn up a new theory of the universe, seen by some as the Holy Grail of physics, which as received rave reviews from scientists.

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The E8 pattern (left), Garrett Lisi surfing (middle) and out of the water (right)

Garrett Lisi, 39, has a doctorate but no university affiliation and spends most of the year surfing in Hawaii, where he has also been a hiking guide and bridge builder (when he slept in a jungle yurt).

In winter, he heads to the mountains near Lake Tahoe, Nevada, where he snowboards. "Being poor sucks," Lisi says. "It's hard to figure out the secrets of the universe when you're trying to figure out where you and your girlfriend are going to sleep next month."

Despite this unusual career path, his proposal is remarkable because, by the arcane standards of particle physics, it does not require highly complex mathematics.

Even better, it does not require more than one dimension of time and three of space, when some rival theories need ten or even more spatial dimensions and other bizarre concepts. And it may even be possible to test his theory, which predicts a host of new particles, perhaps even using the new Large Hadron Collider atom smasher that will go into action near Geneva next year.

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Although the work of 39 year old Garrett Lisi still has a way to go to convince the establishment, let alone match the achievements of Albert Einstein, the two do have one thing in common: Einstein also began his great adventure in theoretical physics while outside the mainstream scientific establishment, working as a patent officer, though failed to achieve the Holy Grail, an overarching explanation to unite all the particles and forces of the cosmos.

Now Lisi, currently in Nevada, has come up with a proposal to do this. Lee Smolin at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, describes Lisi's work as "fabulous". "It is one of the most compelling unification models I've seen in many, many years," he says.

"Although he cultivates a bit of a surfer-guy image its clear he has put enormous effort and time into working the complexities of this structure out over several years," Prof Smolin tells The Telegraph.

"Some incredibly beautiful stuff falls out of Lisi's theory," adds David Ritz Finkelstein at the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. "This must be more than coincidence and he really is touching on something profound."

The new theory reported today in New Scientist has been laid out in an online paper entitled "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything" by Lisi, who completed his doctorate in theoretical physics in 1999 at the University of California, San Diego.

He has high hopes that his new theory could provide what he says is a "radical new explanation" for the three decade old Standard Model, which weaves together three of the four fundamental forces of nature: the electromagnetic force; the strong force, which binds quarks together in atomic nuclei; and the weak force, which controls radioactive decay.

The reason for the excitement is that Lisi's model also takes account of gravity, a force that has only successfully been included by a rival and highly fashionable idea called string theory, one that proposes particles are made up of minute strings, which is highly complex and elegant but has lacked predictions by which to do experiments to see if it works.

But some are taking a cooler view. Prof Marcus du Sautoy told the Telegraph: "The proposal in this paper looks a long shot and there seem to be a lot things still to fill in."

And a colleague Eric Weinstein in America added: "Lisi seems like a hell of a guy. I'd love to meet him. But my friend Lee Smolin is betting on a very very long shot."

Lisi's inspiration lies in the most elegant and intricate shape known to mathematics, called E8 - a complex, eight-dimensional mathematical pattern with 248 points first found in 1887, but only fully understood by mathematicians this year after workings, that, if written out in tiny print, would cover an area the size of Manhattan.

E8 encapsulates the symmetries of a geometric object that is 57-dimensional and is itself is 248-dimensional. Lisi says "I think our universe is this beautiful shape."

What makes E8 so exciting is that Nature also seems to have embedded it at the heart of many bits of physics. One interpretation of why we have such a quirky list of fundamental particles is because they all result from different facets of the strange symmetries of E8.

Lisi's breakthrough came when he noticed that some of the equations describing E8's structure matched his own. "My brain exploded with the implications and the beauty of the thing," he tells New Scientist. "I thought: 'Holy crap, that's it!'"

What Lisi had realised was that he could find a way to place the various elementary particles and forces on E8's 248 points. What remained was 20 gaps which he filled with notional particles, for example those that some physicists predict to be associated with gravity.

Physicists have long puzzled over why elementary particles appear to belong to families, but this arises naturally from the geometry of E8, he says. So far, all the interactions predicted by the complex geometrical relationships inside E8 match with observations in the real world. "How cool is that?" he says.

The crucial test of Lisi's work will come only when he has made testable predictions. Lisi is now calculating the masses that the 20 new particles should have, in the hope that they may be spotted when the Large Hadron Collider starts up.

"The theory is very young, and still in development," he told the Telegraph. "Right now, I'd assign a low (but not tiny) likelyhood to this prediction.

"For comparison, I think the chances are higher that LHC will see some of these particles than it is that the LHC will see superparticles, extra dimensions, or micro black holes as predicted by string theory. I hope to get more (and different) predictions, with more confidence, out of this E8 Theory over the next year, before the LHC comes online."



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KEYWORDS: maybeyesmaybeno; physics; science; stringtheory; surfer; theoryofeverything
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201 posted on 11/15/2007 12:21:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 8, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Fascinating, thanks! I sure hope he’s nailed it. We’ve been badly in need of another Einstein lately and, frankly, all this talk of dark matter and dark energy and an infinite number of universes, etc., has been scaring the crap out of me. I want the universe to make sense again!


202 posted on 11/15/2007 12:37:46 AM PST by LibWhacker (Democrats are phony Americans)
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To: madvlad

assuming an underlying economic motive in anything is a pretty good policy, seems pretty obvious, but otoh few if any here are qualified to actually critique his theory, so discussion options are limited...

but comments about his employment status and ability) did seem irrelevant as to his ability to work with the subject matter in question.


203 posted on 11/15/2007 12:48:22 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Aquinasfan

The young scientist says “Look at how wonderful I am for discovering this!” The wise scientist says “Look how wonderful God is; look at what He has done!”


204 posted on 11/15/2007 3:35:12 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Greg F

“The E8 looks like a potholder.”

The fabric of the universe.


205 posted on 11/15/2007 3:54:48 AM PST by esquirette (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.)
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To: tamu

“This the guy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Michael_Langan";

Yes...!!

thanks a bunch for that link FRiend.


206 posted on 11/15/2007 4:27:59 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

I think NASA wanted his formula for “lift-off”. That stuff would curl your toes for you, with or without your shoes on!


207 posted on 11/15/2007 4:38:27 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: esquirette

“The E8 looks like a potholder.”

“The fabric of the universe.”

Dacron?


208 posted on 11/15/2007 5:14:19 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; xzins
We exist in a universe described by mathematics. But which math? Although it is interesting to consider that the universe may be the physical instantiation of all mathematics, there is a classic principle for restricting the possibilities: The mathematics of the universe should be beautiful. A successful description of nature should be a concise, elegant, unified mathematical structure consistent with experience.

That's the opening paragraph. The mathematics should be "beautiful!" I'm sure Dirac and Einstein would agree.

I'm looking forward to reading "surfer dude's" paper as soon as I print it out.

Thanks again xzins for pinging us to this.

209 posted on 11/15/2007 6:09:37 AM PST by betty boop (Simplicity is the highest form of sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: betty boop

Beautiful is the word used!

Isn’t that wonderful??!!

It’s not ID, it’s not creationist, nor, however, does “beauty” contradict anything believers hold dear. In fact, we would resoundingly agree.


210 posted on 11/15/2007 6:22:26 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True Supporters of the Troops will pray for US to Win!)
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To: xzins; Alamo-Girl
Beautiful is the word used! Isn’t that wonderful??!!

I certainly think so, dear xzins! It find it marvelous that certain thinkers have regarded beauty as a clue in their research; e.g., Dirac, Einstein. And now, Lisi.

And why shouldn't they? God works in beauty, truth, justice, and love. I believe these are at the foundation of the world.

We'll have to see what happens with his line of inquiry here....

211 posted on 11/15/2007 6:56:41 AM PST by betty boop (Simplicity is the highest form of sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: RightOnline

The Ricky Bobby scientist says “Look how wonderful the Baby Jesus is ! Look what he has made, using only his tiny angel baby hands and the tiny baby jesus magic in his angel wings !”


212 posted on 11/15/2007 7:29:05 AM PST by Eddeche
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To: LibWhacker
Of course truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

213 posted on 11/15/2007 8:00:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 8, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: betty boop; xzins
I certainly think so, dear xzins! It find it marvelous that certain thinkers have regarded beauty as a clue in their research; e.g., Dirac, Einstein. And now, Lisi.

And why shouldn't they? God works in beauty, truth, justice, and love. I believe these are at the foundation of the world.

Amen!

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. – Psalms 19:1-3

Praise God!!!

214 posted on 11/15/2007 10:00:46 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Eddeche

I’m rolling on the floor.....kinda.


215 posted on 11/15/2007 5:00:05 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop

If you were to ponder the question, “In terms of geometry, what would be the definition of ‘beauty.’ where would it lead you?

And would it be possible that the search for ‘beauty-so-defined’ might then be a rosetta stone for prediction?


216 posted on 11/16/2007 6:14:32 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True Supporters of the Troops will pray for US to Win!)
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To: xzins; Alamo-Girl
And would it be possible that the search for ‘beauty-so-defined’ might then be a rosetta stone for prediction?

Actually I think's that's what led Lisi, and is what he had in mind with this geometry he's presented. Now we have to see how well his proposal holds up.

217 posted on 11/16/2007 6:43:14 AM PST by betty boop (Simplicity is the highest form of sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: xzins; betty boop
Thank you both so much for your posts!

As the old adage goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

But I suspect Lisi meant the same thing Einstein meant when he used the world "elegant."

The greatest Truths man can receive are stunning in their simplicity and power.

Christians know this personally and spiritually. And many see it also in physics and math.

Such was Einstein's E=MC2. And so might be Lisi's E8.

Another seeking that "lofty structure" as Einstein called it, is Stephen Wolfram who in "A New Kind of Science" sees the beauty or elegance in cellular automata.

Also perceiving mathematical elegance in the physical realm was Eugene Wigner who coined the term the "unreasonable effectiveness of math." And I suspect Lisa Randall and Cumrun Vafa and Roger Penrose would agree.

Whether physics or math or both, these seekers - as well as our own betty boop with whom I strongly agree - sense an elegant algorithm at the inception which gives rise to the geometry and energy/matter - and apparent complexity - of this present, physical Creation.

218 posted on 11/16/2007 8:01:38 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; SoothingDave

-so the surfer dude gets it?


219 posted on 11/16/2007 8:06:14 AM PST by tioga (Snow Flurries in New York.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

That E8 pattern looks like graduate level Spirograph™ work to me.


220 posted on 11/16/2007 8:10:29 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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