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Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?

Posted on 11/12/2007 7:59:49 PM PST by cradle of freedom

Should we stop immigration by Muslims? It seems quite self evident that there are too many cultural conflicts between Islam and our way of life. Yet, our immigration system keeps allowing large numbers of Muslims to immigrate into our country causing all kinds of cultural frictions and safety concerns. The more Muslims there are in the country the more jihadists there will be in our midst, the more travel between us and Islamic countries and the harder it will be to find the jihadists among the every increasing Muslim population.


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To: ClearBlueSky
. . . so the basic creed of every Muslim is that the world must be Islamic. Submit or die.

This would be a fair question for anyone intent on becoming a US Citizen: whether they, as a Muslim believe your words. I don't want people who believe in, and practice, "convert or die" to live in our midst.

Of course, anyone could fake the answer, just like any current member of congress who, with their mouth, subscribes to the principle of life liberty and pursuit of happiness while in deed grants free reign to practitioners of abortion.

181 posted on 11/13/2007 7:20:34 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: cradle of freedom

We should stop illegal immigration immediately. We should stop ALL legal immigration for 10 years and start rounding up and deporting all those who have overstayed their visa. We should drop legal immigration back to 250,000 a year and disallow chain migration.


182 posted on 11/13/2007 7:25:39 PM PST by dljordan
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To: cradle of freedom

Not only should we stop Muslims from COMING here, we should those who are already here - OUT of here.

No Muslims should be allowed in non-Muslim lands while Muslims continue to persecute non-Muslims in Muslim lands.

PERIOD.


183 posted on 11/13/2007 7:27:26 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

So who wants to keep swatting them?

They have a three-fold plan: immigration, reproduction, marriage and conversion. Look at what they are doing in Europe. Wouldn’t you say that the plan is well under way? They have arrived in great numbers, are having children at much higher rates than Americans and Europeans and are busy converting the natives to their killer cult. If you look at the methods used by jihad recruiters they are much like the methods used by other cults. They get next to people who are not satisfied with their lives and they bring them into the group, make them feel that they belong and gradually put their venomous ideology into their minds. Soon it will be difficult to tell who is a Muslim since the convert may be a German, Frenchman, or Irishman.

With many Muslims living in our communities, including what will be an increasing number of converts, with Muslims going to our highschools, we will see another part of their plan which is to marry non-Muslims and bring them into the cult. Vulnerable young women will be easy targets for these Muslims looking to convert them then marry them. How will these American girls be treated if they fall into the trap of marrying a Muslim male? Remember the true-life movie about the American woman who’s Muslim husband abducted their daughter and took her to his country? She had to hire some people to take the girl and bring her back to this country. And that was not the only case. There is an American woman who has been trying unsuccessfully to get her daughters back from Arabia. The State Department will not help her.

I am not saying that all Muslims are terrible people but when you have millions of people in the country and they have a religion that calls us kaffirs, says that we have no rights as human beings, encourages them to commit every heinous and inhuman act against us because it pleases Allah, this is a very serious threat to our nation.

We have been indoctrinated to be tolerant to a fault. Look at the liberal Europeans, they are like deer in headlights, not knowing what to do. European leaders turn on their own people and accuse them of hate crimes if they so much as utter a peep again Islam. Even actress Brigitte Bardot was treated as a criminal just because she lamented what the mass immigration of Islam had done to her country. Let’s not go down the same road as the Europeans. Let’s cut way down on Muslim immigration and check them thoroughly before it is too late.


184 posted on 11/13/2007 7:39:54 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: uglybiker

>Irrelevant. You missed the entire point of my post.

Not really.

Modern Catholicism is benign or even mildly constructive.

Islam is a cancerous Satanic system of thought that reduces whatever land it conquers to filth.

Just because the crop of Mexican Catholics we have in this country now cause more murders, is mere chance/coincidence. We don’t have bombs going off in Catholic South America on a regular basis because of all the “infidels”.

Islam however is DESIGNED to murder and destroy if they can’t successfully evangelize. Bombs going off in the Muslim Middle East is a regular phenomenon, because of all the “infidels” according to Islam.

If I missed the point, would you mind explaining yourself.


185 posted on 11/13/2007 7:49:27 PM PST by ROTB (Front Runner=rich guy who doesn't hate evil and strives to offend no one, AND WILL SELL YOU OUT.)
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To: cradle of freedom

NO brainer....YES!!!!!!!!! KEEP THEM OUT!!!AND SEND THEM BACK.

this opinion is based on personal experience with hundreds of them


186 posted on 11/13/2007 7:51:01 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: cradle of freedom
Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?

Is a bear catholic? Does the pope take a whiz in the woods?

187 posted on 11/13/2007 7:51:01 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: cradle of freedom

Should we or WILL we? The answers, I fear, are different!


188 posted on 11/13/2007 7:54:42 PM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

It is not just a relative few. A couple of months ago the National Geographic Channel did an investigation of life in Gaza. It was beyond belief. Everywhere there were posters of the “shaheeds”, the so-called martyrs who have been murdering Israelis for years. Lisa Ling interviewed a mother of one of these shaheeds who expressed her great pride that her son had blown himself up to kill Israeli’s. Even music stores where no relief from this macabre atmosphere, there were jihad posters on the walls of the music store and many of the cd’s were tributes to suicide bombers.

Palestinian television has children’s programs that brainwashes little children into becoming “shaheeds”. Hitler had nothing on these sick bast*rds.

I have seen these things on the National Georgraphic Channel, the 700 Club, Fox News and Glenn Beck. If you have missed these programs, all you have to do is lookup “jihad” on the internet and you will see many horrors of the pit-of-hell savagery of the Islamist extremists.


189 posted on 11/13/2007 7:54:46 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Secret Agent Man
. . . these muslims who embrace Nazi-esqe ideologies . . .

Which Muslims? Until you are willing to examine further the beliefs of all Muslims I will take your statement as one of ignorance. There may be some intent on establishing their religion as supreme in the USA, and these need to be dealt with. Do all Muslims subscribe to "Nazi-esqe ideologies?" If so, I'd like to see exactly how this is so.

If you are willing, on the basis of religion, to deprive a person of citizenship in our country, the greatest country, then you are indeed relegtating them to a position of inferiority, and doing so on basis of their religion.

Do you really think the rights established by our Constitution extend only within the borders of our land?

190 posted on 11/13/2007 8:03:45 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: cradle of freedom
As far as I know I have not been lax in addressing the position of Muslim extremists, no matter how many there may be. Did you miss the part where I said Muslims who cannot tolerate a pluralistic society ought not reside here?

My point is, it is wholly contrary to our Constitution to discriminate against people on the basis of their religion. If you want it written and enforced differently, then have at it. Be sure to specify precisely which religions may have the favor of government and which may not.

191 posted on 11/13/2007 8:09:13 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

“Do you really think the rights established by our Constitution extend only within the borders of our land?”

Ummmmmmm, yeah!

Try to buy land in Mexico, or try to work in Mexico and waive a copy of our Constitution around in their faces and see how far our laws get you. Man you are a globalist new age nut or something. You don’t even grasp the concept of sovereign nations and the fact that a nations’ laws are for their nation. We don’t write laws for Mexico to follow. They don’t write theirs expecting they are valid here.

I can’t talk to you anymore, we’re not getting anywhere. Please don’t respond anymore.


192 posted on 11/13/2007 8:18:09 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Fester Chugabrew

The court (or town council, I forget which) sided with the Muslims and now the non-Muslims have to put up with this din in their ears every day. I saw a piece about this on tv, the Muslims were at the town hall accusing the Americans of being bigots. They have the routine down pat, right from the pages of the ACLU handbook.

Do you think these Muslims were being good neighbors to the non-Muslims in their neighborhood?

Another example of suspicious arrogance: when the flying imams caused all of that stir at the airport, they never apologized for the inconvenience and fear that they had caused. Use your life experience and tell me what you think of their behavior. If you are at a party and you accidentally spill a drink on someone, don’t you automatically apoligize? Even though the spill was not intentional on your part, you still apologize because that is the toughtfull and polite thing to do. If you accidentally step on somebodies foot, you apologize, even though you didn’t do it intentionally.

Contrast this normal civil behavior with the way the flying imams behaved or the way the Hamtramck Muslims behaved. There is never an apology such as: “We are sorry if we caused any fear or problems for you.” or “We are sorry if the call to prayers is too loud for you.” There is no apology only arrogance and contempt. This is a widespread attitude, not an uncommon response. I am not saying that all Muslims are this way or even the majority, but many are. Do we want to find out the hard way how many are really our enemies?


193 posted on 11/13/2007 8:34:00 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

In England workers are not allowed to have anything with a pig motif, not even a little pig figurine. That would be offensive to Muslims.

You should go to jihadwatch and see what goes on where Muslims live.


194 posted on 11/13/2007 8:40:29 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

yes


195 posted on 11/13/2007 8:41:07 PM PST by rrrod
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To: Fester Chugabrew

You don’t get it, all a Muslim has to do is say that he is “offended” by a, b or c. It doesn’t matter, he just has to say it offends his religion and he gets his way.


196 posted on 11/13/2007 8:43:52 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: ought-six

I asked you, ““So what do you propose we do with the 2 to 3 million?” Your non-response, “What do you think?” That is not an answer.


197 posted on 11/13/2007 9:19:56 PM PST by kabar
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To: sonic109
I totally agree my friend. Its time a huge faction of Americans tells their govt. officials they are PERSONALLY responsible for any harm that comes to us. There is plenty of suicidal legislation out there

Did you hear the breaking news about the Lebanese woman who worked for the the FBI and CIA and was feeding info to Hesbola?

198 posted on 11/13/2007 9:48:33 PM PST by Barnacle (Hunter 2008)
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To: cradle of freedom

bttt


199 posted on 11/13/2007 9:52:43 PM PST by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: cradle of freedom

It was the peculiar customs of the Jews that had Nazis spreading fear and loathing, eventually hankering for their removal and extermination. People are entitled to have religions and customs that to our notions are strange. They are entitled to establish areas of custom and diet which to them are offensive. No one, however, is entitled to set up their religion as the national religion.

Sounds like you live in an area where Muslims are concentrated. Are they persecuting you for not beoming Muslim? Would the law prohibit the Hamtramck Christians from setting up church bells that ring louder and more often?


200 posted on 11/14/2007 4:28:51 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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