Why the Ron Paul Campaign is Dangerous

NewsBull ^ | November 11, 2007 | JB Williams

[PlainOleAmerican]

I hate wasting this much press time on Ron Paul. But the Paul campaign is becoming a real threat to the Republican primary process and if allowed to continue, he will take votes away from the most conservative Republican candidates in the party, not the most liberal. This is bad for the party and the country.

(snip)

So, how Republican is Republican candidate Ron Paul?

If he’s funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very…

[George W. Bush]

You must’ve really got on their nerves. They are ignoring you.

Not at all. I still view his text though I could block that as well.

I can, via a custom Firefox extension, make other FReepers posts disappear altogether. But my list is very very short. In fact, it is only murrymom who is completely blocked. For my own amusement, I have the posts of a few of the more rabid Paul-haters in all-caps with red trim. It's only for my own amusement though.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Because real, rational Republicans that make up 98% of the members here as well as other sites are sick and tired of you morons spamming every damn message board and blog with your moronic ron paul sh*t.

It's called activism, partner - something that FR used to engage in but now they frown on it since nobody is doing it for their approved candidate. Tell me, why aren't nobody "bombarding" the other candidate's message board? Don't hate the player, hate the game. All Paul did was throw the message out there and individuals on their own took control of it. The meet-ups, the blogs, the money-bomb fundraisers...Paul had nothing to do with it.

Yes your heerow doesn’t have a damn chance, but you paultards are too damn stupid to realize that.

If he didn't have a chance, there wouldn't be none of this bellyaching and moaning, along with the cheesy pics and hit-pieces taking parts of his Survival Report newsletter out of context. I mean seriously, Paul is not going to drop out of the race FOR YOU. Either you accomodate him & his supporters and join together to defeat the REAL menace that is Hillary, or we can keep fighting each other over degrees in issues and watch Hillary win in a landslide.

You paultards are too stupid to see that the leftists have been inflating paul’s numbers because against hillary he only has AT BEST has a 38% chance at winning compared to her 48%.

What inflated poll numbers? Polls routinely show Paul at no better than 5%. So how are leftists inflating his numbers?

The leftists are crossing over to vote for paul in the primaries as a means to an end because he IS the weakest candidate.

So does that makes Paul a leftists? I would say that traditional liberals concerned over the war and civil liberties are switching to Paul. But it doesn't make any sense to say that leftists are supporting Paul. Paul's record is anything but leftist. If they're supporting him, then they're just cutting off their noses.

[listenhillary]

There was a time when I was seeing 4 or 5 Paulbot threads a day. We were theorizing that they would soon run out of stupid things to cheer about and there would be Ron Paul had a bowel movement thread. (It might happen yet, I wouldn’t be suprised anymore.)

There was the mention on the Ronpaul forum that they should gang up and take over Free Republic as a means to steal a established internet presence to further the cause of Saint Paul.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Given that you routinely refer to my postings on Paul as "hateful" and whatnot on variious threads -- pointedly (and significantly) without ever pinging me to said comments

I've done nothing of the sort, I've never even referenced you in posts to begin with.

Your point A and point B I'll respond later as I'm on my lunch break from work (Yes, we Paultards have a job)

If (as you continually claim) Ron Paul's purportedly swollen-and-getting-larger base of support IS primarily conservatives (disaffected or otherwise)... then, plainly: his campaign wouldn't NEED to huckster and campaign like so many rabid used car salesmen for support from the Kos Kids, red-eyed and grunting It's-all-Da-JOOOOOOOS conspiracy mongers, and Alex Jones tinfoil Timmys.

Kent, Paul has NOTHING to do with the fundraisers, the money-bombs or any of the grassroots activities. All of his donations are from individuals across the country. He is NOT hustling or asking anyone for their money. Come on now.

Unsupported assertion. Duncan Hunter (to name the most immediately obvious example) could do this, as well... and without the ugly and unnecessary excess baggage of the far left 9/11 zombies and assorted fellow travelers, to boot.

Where is the grassroots support for Hunter? Look, if Hunter is nominated I'll walk through lava to vote for him. The guy's been in the race since Oct 06 and he's still hasn't gotten nowhere. Who's fault is that?

If conservatives wanted someone they should have chosen Hunter. The fact that conservatives DID NOT go out of their way to support Hunter tells you that the dynamics of the party and the electorate has changed.

Now go right ahead, and take up trash-talking me (and numerous other anti-Paul types) once again on various and sundry other threads, without even so much as the simple, open, honest FReeper PING as courtesy. Assuming you genuinely wanted an honest response: there, now you have it.

Well, it's still more civil than posting cheesy jpegs of someone who has spent his entire life fighting for Constitutional gov't and has been married for 50 years, but whatever. I've always tried to be civil on these Paul threads - it's YOU guys who act like what you accuse the Paul supporters of doing.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

When you've got a candidate like Paul who can bring racists, Jewhaters, and conspiracy theorists into the Republican fold

Yeah, he's really going out of his way to recruit these people isn't he?

You're a friggin' joke.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

GWB - I use Firefox as my browser, teach me how to block the Paul pics.

[PlainOleAmerican]

You just aren’t listening...

Actual RINO’s believe in bigger government. Many Republicans simply believe that they must follow a RINO to victory because American voters won’t elect a small government conservative, especially a social conservative.

[George W. Bush]

I'm deeply saddened by this sudden change of events. You took so much time and effort to block graphics, yet you post 30KB of spew to tell me about it. I'm quite flattered.

One right-click and a couple keystrokes is pretty easy. I'm not bothering with modding my hosts file. Don't exaggerate your importance. But I suppose I should start cobbling together a hosts file for folks to download and update for this purpose. Thanks for the idea.

Ron Paul lovers who continue to post here better get used to the flamin', or GTFO.

Not at all. FR is, and has been for years, the official online forum of the Republican Liberty Caucus. It is essentially chaired by Ron Paul and he is their leading candidate nationally year after year. Look for the "RLC Liberty Caucus" link on your main pages.

Have you noticed what has happened recently to RedState.com in traffic rankings? We're waiting for an apology but debate continues on whether we should accept one if offered. Frankly, we don't care if they decide to go over the cliff for their Paul-hating ways.

Notice that pajamamedia.com has stopped snarking and has put Ron Paul back into their polls? Yep. I wonder why...

FReepers should be glad that we RP supporters are willing to do our part to keep FR's traffic up. Look at the numbers of page views and traffic generated here by RP threads. If you examine some of the Alexa and Google traffic rankings, DailyPaul.com has now passed FreeRepublic.com and is closing on HufPost where they may dis Ron Paul and try to persuade their followers not to vote for him but they don't sponsor Paul-hate. Admittedly, the DUmmies and the DailyKo(ook)s and the Huffies aren't too happy when Ron Paul keeps winning their polls, scoring well even with their longstanding membership, largely on RP's focus against the Iraq war and against Patriot Act and against the manipulation of the economy by the Fed and the extreme dissatisfaction with the stances of the supposedly "antiwar" "civil libertarian" candidates of the Dim party whose positions in their speeches and congressional votes is substantively identical to those of the Republicans running other than some rather meaningless dissent and doomed votes they hold on peripheral issues.

The huge traffic the Paulian Horde can generate is a tool. We are starting to wield it for our candidate. Currently, we are focused on the large libmedia operations who have begun to acknowledge our huge traffic flows (and their consequent rise in page rankings, ad views/revenue) but we are also paying some attention to influencing the traffic on the blogs and forum sites. Naturally, FR is by far the most immune site to such tactics because it is so unique. The others cannot similarly insulate themselves from the RP Effect. However, it is not indicated that traffic declines at those sites helps FR's growth.

[DugwayDuke]

I recognize and share your frustration with the GOP. However, RP is not the man to support. I’m not sure he, in your words, draws more hate than Hillary. IMHO, the reason RP draws some much attention here on FR is that most freepers are sick and tired of the RP supporters trying to cast a wacko as the second coming of Ronald Reagan. To use RP’s own words, it’s a ‘blowback’ thing.

You say RP’s for limited government and that’s good. The problem is he would throw out the things we need from government like a sound national defense in his crusade to return our government to the status of the 1850s.

[George W. Bush]

there would be Ron Paul had a bowel movement thread. (It might happen yet, I wouldn’t be suprised anymore.)

You can be sure I'll post it if I can find one.

There was the mention on the Ronpaul forum that they should gang up and take over Free Republic as a means to steal a established internet presence to further the cause of Saint Paul.

Not seriously. The kids who don't know the conservative blogosphere might have posted such but that was never going to fly here. And they post threads on almost anything you can name, lots of them pretty loopy.

Say, thanks for helping us to break 500 posts. We just couldn't do it without the help of the Paul-haters.

[tacticalogic]

You just aren’t listening...

I am listing. You just told me that most Republicans opposed big, nanny government but still demand more and more government programs and don't connect the two. The RINOs want more and more government programs, and are honest about admitting it's going to mean more big, nanny government.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

I've done nothing of the sort, I've never even referenced you in posts to begin with.

"Just ignore the vile comments."

You are a liar. Why or how you could possibly imagine, even for a mere second that you might conceivably somehow get away with a lie that baldfaced -- in a message board forum where previous postings are archived and available indefinitely -- is not only well and truly beyond my ability to comprehend, but well and truly beyond any remotest desire on my part to decently do so; but the fact remains, ugly and unvarnished, nonethelesas.

Don't bother responding to any other points left dangling, at this juncture. Your words can't be decently taken at face value, in any event.

[SubGeniusX]

And just like Ron Paul, one of his largest donors is George Soros.

Please show me one thread of credible evidence to back-up this ... lie.

[april15Bendovr]

"There was a time when I was seeing 4 or 5 Paulbot threads a day. We were theorizing that they would soon run out of stupid things to cheer about and there would be Ron Paul had a bowel movement thread. (It might happen yet, I wouldn’t be suprised anymore.)"

Your Attention Please!!! "Ron Paul is about to take a dump"

[SubGeniusX]

Lets have some popcorn and see how the deniers spin this article.

Why would we need to spin Dr. Paul's position that the WOD is an UNCONSTITUIONAL, failed, waste of money, and a disgusting attack on the bill of rights?

No spoin needed... he's right...

It's the Social^ist "Conservatives" who need to "spin" the WOD as somehow successful.

[SubGeniusX]

"Show me the money" WRT Ron Paul being a recipient of Soros funding.

That will never happen...
because it is a false statement and a blatant lie...

[SubGeniusX]

And just like Ron Paul, one of his largest donors is George Soros.#298

Ron Paul appears to be using the SAME method in the Republican presidential primary that Specter employed while BOTH received Soros' support and $.

unless you can provide any credible reports/documentation/evedence that RP is receiving large amounts of funding from Soros...

PENWA YOU ARE A LIAR!*

*penwa, if you can provide requested evidence I will publically retract my statement and apologize... in any matter you deem fit...

[ctdonath2]

Just think what would happen if NAMBLA could be free from prosecution or gangbangers could legally wave a gun in your face?

But they're not - and can be prosecuted precisely because the government is properly empowered to do so. Causing or threatening harm is one thing; simple possession of an inanimate object is something else entirely.

[ctdonath2]

I see “conservatism” redefining itself into trying to preserve big government, onerous undelegated powers, infanticide, national IDs, and other things at sharp odds with what the Founding Fathers created. Just in the last few years it’s been amazing the turn of many FReepers toward what was not long ago deemed “liberalism”.

[april15Bendovr]

The Sierra Club has organized Ron Paul Meetups. They are heavily funded by the Tides Foundation and George Soros.

Don't try and pull the wool over our eyes