The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise,(military chiefs red-faced)

The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 10th November 2007 | MATTHEW HICKLEY

[Nuc1]

didnt Clinton give away our quiet prop technology? I believe it was Toshiba that did that. Bill sold off our ballistic missile guidance systems for his election campaign.

[CindyDawg]

Ok. They caught a big fish. Did they throw it back or bring it home?

[fanfan]

I don’t know.

[Kay Ludlow]

looks as though the clintons or some other traitor(s) has / have sold off more than missle technology, maybe....?

At the very least they degraded security (so it wouldn't be demeaning to those without clearance), and allowed Chinese Nationals to work in our agencies and with our defense contractors on our military hardware and research.

Years back, probably near the end of the Clinton administration there was an article out that discussed the 'openness' in the fields, and suggested that the Chinese have so much access that they are researching ways to counter our classified technology before we've even deployed it. That's what likely happened here.

[Chode]

makes no mention of the date... so either this is the second time this has happened, or this is recycled news.

[thegreatbeast]

Holy crap!

[BlazingArizona]

I understand the sub was found to be carrying a secret message, concealed in galley stores, of all places:

SOMETHING VERY EMBARRASSMENT WILL THIS WEEK HAPPEN TO YOU

[Pentagon Leatherneck]

“Looks like they’re rehashing an incident from October ’06.”

That, plus adjectives.

Diesel-electric subs are a challenge, no doubt. I think we ought to offer the ChiComs a duel: a CVBG against any two of their subs, with live warshots and existing bare-knuckles rules of engagement. That would be entertaining.

TC

[fanfan]

LOL!

Like posting a one year old story?

[fanfan]

makes no mention of the date... so either this is the second time this has happened, or this is recycled news.

Exactly!

[JSteff]

“U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War. “

Oh really? What were we doing with the soviets for 40 years in all the oceans of the world.

Something does not smell right. Is this just a deception we allowed to happen? The soviets could not flush a toilet on a nuc sub in any ocean with us not knowing.

So how did a Chinese sub gets into the middle of an a naval exercises and know one knew it?

[timer]

Actually I’ve figured out a way to move even quieter than electrically powered propellers. It’s a variation on the otter’s fin, slow but as silent as an otter’s fin-thrust.

[uncbob]

Sneaking up on us is a lot easier for the ChiComms now because they are using stolen US technology... well, except for the stuff Bill Clinton gave to them.

It was Nixon and Kissinger who opened the damn door

I knew this was a mistake when they did it

[fanfan]

Have you spoken with the Navy yet?

[jesseam]

gotta keep a closer check on those Chinese fortune cookies

[fanfan]

I have no idea, but the US government does not deny that it happened last year, and we are unsure if this is a new report.

I don’t think this is a new report, now that I think about it, and read other posts, which brings up the question of ‘Why bring it up, again, now?’

Hmmm.

[LibLieSlayer]

I think this is about that earlier incidence.

LLS

[Hot Tabasco]

an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise

Excuse me, but is this the way to Albuquerque?

[DoughtyOne]

I’d like to know what our free trade friends are going to say if we lose a few carriers to these subs when China takes on Tiawan. It’s also possible for us to lose about 75% of our populace to nuclear first strike from subs located off our coast. What will the free traders say about something like that, when they were the ones who financed China’s indistrial military complex?

I’ve had military types tell me this type of scenario was impossible. They rode me pretty hard for even suggesting it, saying they were in the know. Okay you ‘in the know people’, care to explain this?

[zot]

Not good.

True. And this was an older-type deisel-electric sub. Their new ones are probably even quieter.