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The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise,(military chiefs red-faced)
The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 10th November 2007 | MATTHEW HICKLEY

Posted on 11/09/2007 4:55:08 PM PST by fanfan

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.

And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".

The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.

Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.

Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.

He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.

"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."

In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chinesemilitary; chinesenavy; navair; submarine; usn; usskittyhawk
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1 posted on 11/09/2007 4:55:11 PM PST by fanfan
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To: magslinger

Oops.....


2 posted on 11/09/2007 4:55:49 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Cindy

Ping


3 posted on 11/09/2007 4:56:20 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan
Frack.
4 posted on 11/09/2007 4:56:35 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: fanfan

Oh my...


5 posted on 11/09/2007 4:57:42 PM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: fanfan

Diesels are very difficult to detect in restricted waters. That said, doesn’t look good for the admiral.


6 posted on 11/09/2007 4:57:51 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: fanfan
Didn’t this already happen once already or something about a ChiCom sub following the Fleet?
7 posted on 11/09/2007 4:58:18 PM PST by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: fanfan
While this may very well be a big goof or failure on our part, I’d also have to think that it might be to our advantage to let them think we can’t detect their subs.
8 posted on 11/09/2007 5:00:00 PM PST by NMR Guy
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To: Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; Bean Counter; investigateworld; ...
SONOBUOY PING!

I hate that! I hate it when that happens!

Click on pic for past Navair pings.

Post or FReepmail me if you wish to be enlisted in or discharged from the Navair Pinglist.
This is a medium to low volume pinglist.

9 posted on 11/09/2007 5:01:36 PM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: fanfan

Is this a new incident? I think it shows the folly of investing a lot of money in new surface fleets. I think the surface warship may be obsolete. But we HAVE to have something to fly the planes from right? Maybe it’s purely a missile world and we should just brandish hordes of them. Offensive and defensive.


10 posted on 11/09/2007 5:01:54 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: fanfan

looks as though the clintons or some other traitor(s) has / have sold off more than missle technology, maybe....?


11 posted on 11/09/2007 5:02:26 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. And Vote For Mr. Duncan Hunter, America! TLWNW)
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To: BGHater; ProudVet77
The article doesn’t say when it happened.
It may be last years story, regurgitated.

If that's the case, why republish it now?

Hmmm. Strange, eh?

12 posted on 11/09/2007 5:02:44 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

Sneaking up on us is a lot easier for the ChiComms now because they are using stolen US technology... well, except for the stuff Bill Clinton gave to them.


13 posted on 11/09/2007 5:02:50 PM PST by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: fanfan

this is bad, but how is this a bad thing? Better they show up our defences in a mock drill as opposed to actual war.


14 posted on 11/09/2007 5:02:57 PM PST by steel_resolve (Think pitch forks.)
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To: fanfan; Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; ...
Single ping, low power, to the Steely-Eyed Killers of the Deep

Penetrating a CVBG is trivial for a submarine, really. With no more Perry class frigates or Spruance and Kidd class destroyers, who is the ASW platform? The Arleigh Burkes? Ha!

15 posted on 11/09/2007 5:03:10 PM PST by Doohickey (Giuliani: Brokeback Republican)
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To: BGHater

Looks like they’re rehashing an incident from October ’06.


16 posted on 11/09/2007 5:05:09 PM PST by dighton
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To: fanfan
Gives “testing the water” a whole new meaning - China wants to see if her new technology can get past ours - bad sign
17 posted on 11/09/2007 5:05:23 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: navyguy

Why do you thing the Clinton Chinese Mafia is so flush with Cash??

Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops


18 posted on 11/09/2007 5:06:23 PM PST by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: fanfan

GOOGLE EARTH SNAPS PIC OF NEW CHINESE SUB

http://www.theage.com.au/news/web/secret-subs-sighted/2007/10/12/1191696145980.html


19 posted on 11/09/2007 5:06:52 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: NMR Guy
Ahhh - sneaky = that would be a smart move - then we could track them when they think they’re safe and we can know what they’re too and when
20 posted on 11/09/2007 5:07:01 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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