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Hillary wants coal Power
ABEC ^ | 11-05-07 | Amy Broadhurst

Posted on 11/05/2007 4:06:54 PM PST by mission9

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To: mission9

As I recall, Clinton designated a huge deposit of low sulphur coal, located in Utah, as a national park. Riadi had control of a similar coal site in Indonesia.


41 posted on 11/05/2007 5:05:25 PM PST by P3_Acoustic
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To: ozzymandus

Aha! beneath the teasing of other posters, a gleam of gold. Good observation.


42 posted on 11/05/2007 5:06:43 PM PST by mission9 (Be a citizen worth living for, in a Nation worth dying for...)
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Whats wrong with nuclear?


43 posted on 11/05/2007 5:07:25 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: mission9

-any hope of her getting black lung disease? RME, what is she thinking?


44 posted on 11/05/2007 5:07:34 PM PST by tioga
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To: Roccus

“Joe Lucas is the Executive Director of ABEC. Previously he was undersecretary to Hazel O’Leary at the DoE under Slick. IIRC, this was around the time that BJ made those coal deposits out west “off limits” thereby giving a huge boost to the Riadi family.”

the plot thickens. If any new technologies for carbon sequestration are developed, the cream of the tech will go to the highest campaign donor.


45 posted on 11/05/2007 5:09:08 PM PST by mission9 (Be a citizen worth living for, in a Nation worth dying for...)
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To: mission9
Hillary wants "coal power"?

The amount of coal Santa can stuff in her stocking this year will be enough to heat all of D.C. for a year.

Leni

46 posted on 11/05/2007 5:11:28 PM PST by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !!!)
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To: ozzymandus

yep as noted upthread. Plus “research” probably means money going to Hill’s environmental friends who will collect millions, jet around giving speeches and doing faux research.

But Riady will make a killing.


47 posted on 11/05/2007 5:15:14 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: mission9

Can’t she contact friends at Tyson? Instead of her and the bent one looking the other way while tons of chicken poop was dumped in the Arkansas river, couldn’t the same polluters be convinced to use all that chicken shiite to power methane-to-steam plants???


48 posted on 11/05/2007 5:21:36 PM PST by Brofholdonow
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To: cajungirl
I've read about the Riady family and their Indonesian coal holdings vs. low sulfur coal in Utah but the development of the Wyoming Powder River Basin has proceeded apace since the late 1960s.
We have more than 300 years worth of low sulfur coal in the PRB and Hanna Basin in Montana. By the time we run short of this low sulfur bonanza, I suspect the sulfur (SO2) issue will have been solved and BTU content and location will dominate industry's view.
Just in the past few months, another railroad, CN, has aquired rights to haul PRB coal, so now BN and UP have some freight rate competition. This is a good thing.
49 posted on 11/05/2007 5:23:57 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: mission9

Didn’t B.J. create a national reserve in Utah, closing off millions of acres of prime coal reserves about the same time Indonesia announced discovering vast newly discovered fields? Riady’s anyone?


50 posted on 11/05/2007 5:28:27 PM PST by printhead
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To: MarkL
Don't forget that the Clintons closed off LOTS of land to US coal mining... Interestingly enough, the Riadis (sp?) have huge holdings in Indonesian coal industries... Payback? You betcha!
51 posted on 11/05/2007 5:41:41 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: printhead

No BJ fan, I, but I think the Riady coal story loses its punch when actual US coal usage is examined. The Clean Air Act mandated 1.2 pounds of SO2/MM BTUs max emissions from new industrial and utility boilers after 1972. Gillette coal from the PRB easily achieves < .90 pounds. There really is no need to import Indonesian coal to the US when we have plenty here that meets New Source Performance Standards of the Act and about 100 million tons/year of various compliance coal is being burned in the US. Indonesian coal might play a role in China’s development, but right now, China is mining its own coal for less than Indonesia can produce it. Australia’s met coal dominates the steel industry in Japan. Philippine coal is low sulfur and being mined, apparently for less than Indonesian coal, otherwise low sulfur Indonesian coal would be developed and sold. It ain’t.


52 posted on 11/05/2007 5:43:00 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: P3_Acoustic

Yes, BJ Clinton exercised a gross misuse of the “Antiquities Act” to set aside 1.8 MILLION acres of land in southern Utah (little of which had any conceivable connection to preserving “antiquities”). Previously the understanding of the designation of a “National Monument” was something far smaller than most National Parks, a unilateral exercise of executive authority to protect a relatively small, limited site of some major historical and/or archaelogical interest. Clinton showed how much the Demagogues love “unilateral” exercise of executive power when it suits them.....

I have seen it asserted that Clinton’s action gave Riady’s group a monopoly or near monopoly worldwide on a certain high-quality, low-sulfur coal. I have no way to now whether this is true or not - any experts here on FR? Here is what was on Worldnetdaily.com in 1998 (yes, I know they are not always a reliable source, that is why I emphasize that I have no idea what the truth of the coal issue might be in this matter):


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16813

In addition to those two counts, Zeifman raises another little-understood scandal first reported by Land Rights Letter in 1996 by Sarah Foster, now a staff writer for WorldNetDaily. This was the executive order signed by President Clinton on Sept. 16, 1996 — six weeks before the presidential election — designating as “wilderness” some 1.7 million acres of federal land in southwest Utah.

By creating the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument as a wilderness area, Clinton effectively placed the area off-limits to mining, logging, road building, and any other development. This land contains one of the only known large deposits of clean-burning coal in the world — coal so low in sulfur and other pollutants it meets the strict environmental standards established during the Clinton administration by the Environmental Protection Agency. The New York Times reported that the deposits could be worth over $1 trillion.

The second-largest deposit of such coal in the world is in Indonesia, where development has been under way for several years.

Zeifman suggests there is a prima facie case for bribery — once again by Indonesia’s billionaire Riady family. The Riadys, who are suspected of spying for the Chinese government and are closely connected with Beijing (the Riadys are native Chinese, not Indonesian), stand to benefit big-time from Clinton’s executive order. China will be a major market for this clean-burning coal.

“With a stroke of his pen he wiped out the only significant competition to Indonesian coal interests in the world market,” Sarah Foster noted in 1996.


53 posted on 11/05/2007 5:55:23 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT")
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To: Brofholdonow

“Can’t she contact friends at Tyson? Instead of her and the bent one looking the other way while tons of chicken poop was dumped in the Arkansas river, couldn’t the same polluters be convinced to use all that chicken shiite to power methane-to-steam plants???”

You won’t have to go far to find a research grant she has funded for just the same thing.


54 posted on 11/05/2007 6:17:33 PM PST by mission9 (Be a citizen worth living for, in a Nation worth dying for...)
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To: P3_Acoustic

[As I recall, Clinton designated a huge deposit of low sulphur coal, located in Utah, as a national park. ]

Absolutely. Payback for millions in contributions/Swiss bank transfers.


55 posted on 11/05/2007 6:29:17 PM PST by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Wasn’t it Billy that decided the new power plants had to run on clean, cheap natural gas?


56 posted on 11/05/2007 6:32:57 PM PST by enduserindy (Has the left gone blind?)
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To: OpusatFR

Wasn’t it Billy that decided new power plants had to run on clean, cheap natural gas??


57 posted on 11/05/2007 6:32:58 PM PST by enduserindy (I might be going to hell in a bucket but.......crap.)
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To: dbacks
My research coal cars are hauling low sulfur coal from the Powder River Basin, Wyoming to coal fired power plants north and south of Birmingham, AL. That's a long way to go, but the coal is the quality necessary to meet the emissions requirements. The Miller plant near Quinton burns 45 tons of coal per minute.
58 posted on 11/05/2007 6:38:10 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

And PRB coal is shipped by rail to Superior, WI where its loaded on steamships. Great Lakes vessels complete the trip to Detroit Edison and elsewhere east. This coal terminal does something around 20 million tons this way. There is another transhipment dock in Chicago that takes in PRB and midwest coals, sometimes blending with pet coke, to meet customers requirements.


59 posted on 11/05/2007 6:57:31 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

They were doing fluidized bed combustion of Iowa coal mixed with Iowa limestone at ISU’s power plant to try to control the sulfur, mercury and ash. They might be still doing that, but it wasn’t very economical, and they ended up with huge piles of calcium carbonate/sulfate that leached the sulfur into the ground and couldn’t be mixed into concrete as they had hoped.


60 posted on 11/05/2007 9:39:27 PM PST by VanShuyten ("Believe me or not, his intelligence was perfectly clear...But his soul was mad.")
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