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Thompson Tied for First in National Poll; Giuliani in Free Fall
All American Patriots ^ | October 25, 2007

Posted on 10/26/2007 5:20:32 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

While Fred Thompson travels the nation with his message of consistent conservatism and touts his border security and immigration reform proposal, a recent national tracking poll shows that Thompson has pulled into a virtual tie with Rudolph Giuliani. This poll further shows that Giuliani has lost almost a third of his support in the last 12 days.

In a separate Field Poll conducted in California, Giuliani's "support has eroded markedly among the party faithful, setting up the prospect of a shootout in February's primary," wrote the San Francisco Chronicle, dropping 10 points since August.

Earlier this week, a Rasmussen poll showed Giuliani and Thompson both statistically tied with Hillary in a head-to-head matchup in Ohio.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 2008polls; conservatives; duncanhunter; election; electionpresident; elections; fred; fredthompson; giuliani; gop; hunter; polls; republicans; rudygiuliani; slamduncan; thompson
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

The “battleground” poll is a trade name for a specific poll done by Ed Goas (GOP) and Celinda Lake (Dem). They agreed to poll together, then do separate analysis for their parties. It was very reliable, and usually battleground polls tend to get more useful information about the voters than generic Rasmussen or Field or Mason-Dixon Polls (although on the state level in the last three election cycles, MD has been dead accurate-—the most accurate, statewide, of any).


41 posted on 10/26/2007 6:24:48 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: kevkrom

Look at the next post. Reality? Where. You can’t even read RCP correctly. Look at the average, look at the leader, look at the #2 guy. #2 guys get delegates too. Where are Fred’s delegates?


42 posted on 10/26/2007 6:27:23 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS

Mason Dixon is and has been for years the Gold standard of state polling.


43 posted on 10/26/2007 6:28:01 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: LS
even if you discount Quinnipiac (why?)

Many of the polls used by RCP in their averages should be discounted because of their poor methodology (and when has Quinnipiac ever been anywhere close to reality?). Rasmussen has a recent history of being most accurate and uses a tight "likely primary/caucus voter" screen.

We're talking delegates here and winning states. Where do you see Fred's delegates in any of these polls?

Iowa: 2nd, possibly 1st
South Carolina: 1st
Florida: 2nd, outside chance at 1st
New Hampshire: Anywhere from 2nd to 4th
Nevada: Polling is all over the board, no one has a clue what's going on
Michigan: 2nd or 3rd
California: 2nd, picking up a lot of conservative districts
Pennsylvania: 2nd
New Jersey: Winner-take all, none for Thompson barring complete Giuliani collapse

44 posted on 10/26/2007 6:30:05 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hannity is gonna be pretty pissed about this - get ready for a Guliani fest on his show (that is if you listen to him, which I dont).


45 posted on 10/26/2007 6:34:34 AM PDT by sasafras (All things evil are cloaked in the word diversity)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let me repeat myself...

I don't understand all this. Rudy may not be the perfect ideological candidate, but he can, and likely will win. I greatly admire Duncan Hunter, but he has no chance!

None!


Neither does Ron Paul (thank God), or Tancredo or Fred or Romney. I'm talking both primaries and general election.

Face it guys, it going to be Hillary versus Rudy, and there's not even a decision to make over that. Hillary is certain death for this country. Rudy is the "half a loaf is better than none" that I remember my mom telling me about when I didn't get everything I wanted when I was 5.

I've been a Freeper since about 2000, but some of you guys need to start breathing oxygen again.
46 posted on 10/26/2007 6:36:37 AM PDT by halley
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Fox was shilling for Rudy again this morning.

Bringing up the supposed mob hit yet they won’t talk about him and his defrocked priest pedophile employee.

47 posted on 10/26/2007 6:39:53 AM PDT by JRochelle (Rudy employs a pedophile, Alan Placa.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More and more GOP voters are realizing Rudy’s pro abortion, anti gun, pro gay marriage/rights, and has a personal life that mirrors Bill Clinton’s.

And its beginning to show in the polls.


48 posted on 10/26/2007 6:40:09 AM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Giuliani fade has begun. Rasmussen about 2 weeks ago had him up by 11 over THompson. Yesterday that lead was down to 2, with most of the change coming from Rudy’s support falling.

You can only run so far on name recognition and 9/11. Rudy’s a fraud and once the issues are clearly framed by his opponents and his positions clearly defined he’ll be a has been by February.

49 posted on 10/26/2007 6:46:34 AM PDT by bereanway (Hunter in '08)
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To: LS
Check out RCP's polling average

With that, I bid you adieu.

You may peruse an 'average' of polls of differing methodology and sample size all you wish.

If you're looking for accuracy, Rasmussen is the place to find it. If you want to massage whatever conventional wisdom you've bought into, you can look at the RCP average all day and see whatever you want.

Rasmussen is the only pollster who polls likely caucus/primary voters. Nobody else does.

Beyond that, you are so blinded by polls that you don't seem to be aware that polls are merely a snapshot in time and not graven in stone.

Fred Thompson has not run a single ad in Iowa, Florida, or SC yet.

There is still a lot of time left in this thing. Your 'look, this is reality' crap is really silly and will only serve to make you look foolish in the long run.

Take a step back, stop being so concerned about predicting things correctly. It is clouding your judgment and makes you say silly thinks like this:

We're talking delegates here and winning states. Where do you see Fred's delegates in any of these polls?

This is anyone's race. Even Huckabee could have something to say about it before it's over and done with. If you think there won't be a dynamic change one way or another in Iowa and NH before votes are cast, you're really being naive.

50 posted on 10/26/2007 6:47:40 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Hunters Pissants - Lowering the bar of intellectual honesty and working to elect Rudy)
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To: Loyal Buckeye

True.

What is also true is that Rasmussen tends towards a pretty good record of accuracy.


51 posted on 10/26/2007 6:48:29 AM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: johnny7

Fox News Dynamics Polls are bigger joke than all of CNN.


52 posted on 10/26/2007 6:48:54 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: LS

Polls of Registered Voters, like SurveyUSA, are worthless at this point, especially when they are coupled with low quantity samples.


53 posted on 10/26/2007 6:49:35 AM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: halley
Face it guys, it going to be Hillary versus Rudy, and there's not even a decision to make over that.

I beg to differ. There is a choice of writing in Micky Mouse or leaving the presidential race as an undervote.

54 posted on 10/26/2007 6:53:39 AM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: TitansAFC

Rooooooty pingy.


55 posted on 10/26/2007 6:54:11 AM PDT by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: Loyal Buckeye

Actually, if you follow the link to the story it says: “Fred Thompson Campaign” at the bottom.


56 posted on 10/26/2007 6:55:34 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: johnny7

Rooty has FOX by the short-and-curlies...might explain the poll.

For some reason FNC thinks Rudy is the second coming of Christ.


57 posted on 10/26/2007 6:55:39 AM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: halley
Rudy may not be the perfect ideological candidate, but he can, and likely will win

Rudy is not just an "unperfect" candidate, he is an uber liberal and therefore a lousy candidate for republicans. People are finally finding this out and now he is dropping like a rock....GOOD!

Rudy cannot beat Hillary, he will be eaten alive by her and her hounds. Even if he did win, conservatives still lose and lose big and for a long time. Rudy is bad news all the way around.

58 posted on 10/26/2007 6:57:41 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: Ingtar
"I beg to differ. There is a choice of writing in Micky Mouse or leaving the presidential race as an undervote.

Agreed, if Rudy gets the nod I for one will be doing a write-in for President.

59 posted on 10/26/2007 6:57:43 AM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: LS

Actually though...the recent Rass poll did show that Fred does just about as well as Rudy against the Beast in Ohio...at least as of this week.

Rudy’s support I can grudgingly understand. But why MCCAIN???


60 posted on 10/26/2007 6:58:15 AM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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