There is no middle ground on abortion, no "moderate" position. You are either pro-life or pro-choiceabortion. It's that simple.
Rudy's nominated = 3rd party
That being said, conservative voters are extremely gun shy about Rinos making promises. We don;t like being played; resent it, in fact.
Where have I heard this before?
Now they're peddling their Rudy-crap with the same stupid rhetoric John Kerry almost fooled America with just a short while back. Will "conservatives" remember? Not the ones who peddle Rudy-crap.
When a man declares:
“There are no blacks and whites [in morality]”
he is making a psychological confession, and
what he means is:
“I am unwilling to be wholly good—and please
don’t regard me as wholly evil!”
Source: The Virtue of Selfishness
AYN RAND
“The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum.
Whenever evil wins, it is only by default:
by the moral failure of those who evade the fact
that there can be no compromise on basic principles.”
(’Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal’ 1966)
AYN RAND
Giuliani’s rhetoric notwithstanding, the man gave money to the butchers at Planned Parenthood and spoke at NARAL rallies. He is probably in his heart to the left of some of the Democrats who talk the line but may not completely buy it in their hearts (Bill “Gay is a Choice” Richardson comes to mind, so does the formerly pro-life until he ran for president Kucinich).
I’m disappointed that Medved is willing to accept “poop-on-rye” rather than just plain ol’ poop.
Maybe Michael Medved can explain how a dead baby can live a "nuanced" life.
Medved is a Rooty-Tooty supporting moron.
He is arguing that one can be anti-abortion, yet be pro-choice.
Contrary to the drivel that Medved is spewing here, abortion is a black and white issue.
And Rudy fails this litmus test.
If Medved was really pro-life, he wouldn't refer to pro-abortionists as pro-"choicers." That's mistake #1. Anyone who adopts the Left's language and uses it as their own is not sure about their own beliefs.
First Brownback, now Medved, and there'll be plenty of other so-called Republicans who are going to drink the cyanide and support Rudy. Memo to the GOP: If you support Rudy, you're going to lose to Hillary, because I for one will not vote for an avowed pro-abortionist.
Rudy's nominated = 3rd party
BS
If Rino Rudy gets the nomination I will have to go third party. I will not vote for a pro abortionist.
They're pretty indistinguishable to the people who never made it out of the womb alive.
the idea that ending a baby's life -- if this is one's opinion of abortion, there can be no gray.
Giuliani was a fervent supporter of partial birth abortion, far more pro-abortion than many Democrats, and he has also recently said that there is a constitutional right to have abortions paid for.
What good is Rudy’s “strict constructionism” if he still says that the constitution guarantees a woman’s right to an abortion at any stage for any reason, and that taxpayers are constitutionally obliged to pay for it?
His idea of the constitution is more like Ruth Bader Ginsburgh’s than mine.
By the way, hillary has also offered to compromise on abortion, although she hasn’t explained how. I’ve always pictured it as something like King Solomon and the two women, except that in hillary’s case the baby is actually cut in half.
In realistic terms of what can be accomplished, as opposed to rhetorical positions taken with no effect in the real world, this position is identical to GWB's and is at the present time the most pro-lifers can possibly expect to get. I am an agnostic as to whether he would stick with these positions if elected.
Hardline anti-abortion policies pushed with no chance whatsoever of passage may make those pushing them feel good about themselves, but they save no babies. Meanwhile, policies to gradually restrict and control abortion can save the lives of babies today while hopefully contributing to the development of public opinion that can lead to further restrictions.
Giuliani supports taxpayer funding of abortion. See and hear it in the link to youtube at post #2.
Rudy has that right, and I have the right not to vote for him.
Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.
Bull shit it’s no longer black-and-white: God’s commands never change: “Thou shall not kill”- How is that a non nuanced belief?
Firstly, Rudy’s stance on parental notification is EXACTLY the same as Obama and Hillary - as long as there is an easily obtained judicial bypass, pass the law. In other words, as along as there is a clause in the law rendering the law itself to be worthless and nullified, go ahead and pass it.
Same with Partial Birth Abortion - As long as there is an exception to protect the “health” of the mother, pass the law. Same nullifying effect here - as a matter of policy, all abortion providers automatically consider all unwanted pregnancies to be a danger to the mother’s health - just ask them. Go ahead, pass the law - as long as you add the clause that nullifies it.
As a point in fact, Rudy openly supports the public funding of Abortion. He says it is a Constitutional right and that he cannot deny a poor woman her Constitutional right. Yet in the next breath we are supposed to believe he will actively and forcefully deny that Constitutional right he just said that he cannot deny. Anyone else see a problem with this one?
The simple fact is this: Rudy911 apologists have tried rewriting history, twisting words, insulting Pro-Lifers, nuancing a black-and-white issue, and even adopting textbook Liberal arguments to try and get Pro-Lifers to back Rudy911. It is beyond the pale of reality to suggest that Rudy911 has been anything other than one of the most effective abortion rights activists and enemies of the Pro-Life cause in America today.
Remember, “activist” was RUDY’s choice of words in describing Rudy, when he stood up before NARAL and said that he was one of “the most effective Abortion Rights ACTIVISTS in America” as he was touting his record on Choice. His OWN words, no one else’s.
Giuliani is NOT to the right of the Democrats on the issue. And it defies logic and reality to suggest that Rudy911 will be anything other than a Pro-Choice President who governs as a Pro-Choice President, just as he governed as a Pro-Choice Mayor in NY.
Rudy will not let history write that he was personally responsible for appointing the Supreme Court Justice who overturned Roe v. Wade. There is no denying this whatsoever.
Rudy will not deny public funding of Abortion, and never has. It is ridiculous to expect that he will go against his expressed World-view, legal view, and view of Abortion as a Constitutional right to do so just because he made a statement while campaigning for the GOP nod that cannot be reconciled with another statement during the campaign.
As a point in fact, Rudy911 will be no more effectively Pro-Life as a President than would Hillary or Obama. To try and claim otherwise is either dishonesty, denial, or outright mental retardation.
I hope the Kool-Aid tasted good, Mr. Medved.