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2007 Christmas Stamps (Vanity)
http://www.usps.com/communications/newsroom/2007stamps/downloadcenter.htm</em: ^ | 10-25-2007 | None

Posted on 10/25/2007 11:48:44 AM PDT by lilylangtree

The Postal Service announced the new 2007 Christmas stamp "The Madonna of the Carnation" for Catholics. Also, the USPS came out with the Christmas stamps commemorating the Muslim holiday of EID (Sep 28). Plus, USPS will release stamps recognizing Kwanzaa and Hanukkah (Oct 26). And for those in the "none of the above" category, the Holiday Knits stamps series will be available as of today.

I commend the Postal Service for its political correctness. However, as a Christian that believes in Jesus Christ, where is the Christmas stamp to represent the Christian belief?

Has our country moved so far away from its Christian foundation that we must now ask "where is our representation"?


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To: tiki
I’m thinking that some freepers lack education or are themselves bigoted and would slight other freepers with their uneducated perceptions.

As a Canadian freeper I can tell you that you are spot on. Given the number of people on this board what amazes me is that there are so few- the law of averages would suggest that there should be a lot more.

201 posted on 10/25/2007 1:44:28 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

LOL, what can I say many evangelicals are ignorant. Many evangelicals don’t even know that the Bible was canonized by the Catholic Church.


202 posted on 10/25/2007 1:44:55 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Elsiejay

I think that since Christmas is the celebration of Christ’s birth that leans them towards an infant Jesus, and the classical artists were really into sticking the baby Jesus all by himself so they included his mother. In all the school Christmas plays I ever saw or was part of Mary spent a lot more time on stage than Jesus, she is a pretty big part of the story after all.


203 posted on 10/25/2007 1:46:13 PM PDT by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: KarlInOhio

LOL


204 posted on 10/25/2007 1:47:23 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki

No, you’re wrong. King James wrote it in 1611. /sarc


205 posted on 10/25/2007 1:53:38 PM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: lilylangtree
Well, the Cross wasn't there at Jesus's birth, so why should it be shown on a stamp celebrating CHRISTMAS?

I'm just glad the USPS is continuing the tradition of the Madonna and Baby Jesus stamps. I'm always curious to see which painting they'll use each year. You have to get them early, though, because they don't print as many of those as the secular stamps, so they sell out fast.

206 posted on 10/25/2007 1:57:59 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: XeniaSt
Thanks!

I didn’t mean that Hanukkah wasn’t celebrated before Christmas became a Big Deal (it used to be a day of fasting and quiet contemplation, before it became the winter celebration of gluttony, excess, avarice and greed).

I only meant that Hanukkah went from a relatively minor celebration of a victory in battle, and evidence of God’s Blessing via too little oil lasting long enough to purify the Temple, to a bigger gift giving deal in response to kids feeling left out.

I’m no theologian, and not a real expert on Holy Writ, but I do try!

You seem to have more and better information at your fingertips. I was unaware of the information on the actual birthday - 15th Tishrei - and knew only that the Crucifixion was tied to Passover.

Do you know of any reference that gives the year these events happened?

207 posted on 10/25/2007 2:01:28 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

I just don’t understand this attitude that you can’t use the Christmas stamps because Mary happens to be on them. She IS the ‘Woman of the Promise’, the one foretold by the Old Testament prophets through whom the Word Incarnate would come into the world. If God thought enough of her to be the one who brought Jesus into the world, why would you think it wrong for stamps celebrating Jesus’s birth to include her?


208 posted on 10/25/2007 2:02:20 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: XeniaSt

Yeah, whatever, but WE celebrate it on Dec. 25th, and have done so for many hundreds of years.


209 posted on 10/25/2007 2:05:30 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Yeah, whatever, but WE celebrate it on Dec. 25th, and have done so for many hundreds of years.

Yup !

Since the codification of Paganism at Nicea in 325.


210 posted on 10/25/2007 2:08:57 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
I doubt Jesus was a fat little European baby.

He was if He was painted by a European artist.

211 posted on 10/25/2007 2:10:50 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: lilylangtree

But Mary is still the mother of Jesus.


212 posted on 10/25/2007 2:19:09 PM PDT by tiki
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To: manapua

>>I commend the Postal Service for its political correctness. However, as a Christian that believes in Jesus Christ, where is the Christmas stamp to represent the Christian belief?


The stamp with Jesus and Mary on it. Go to hell, bigot, for this lame anti-Catholic trolling attempt.<<

That’s a little harsher than I would have put it - there could be an element of ignorance here instead of trolling.

But what could be a better representation of Christmas than Jesus as a baby with his mother?


213 posted on 10/25/2007 2:22:47 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: null and void
You seem to have more and better information at your fingertips. I was unaware of the information on the actual birthday - 15th Tishrei - and knew only that the Crucifixion was tied to Passover.

Do you know of any reference that gives the year these events happened?

The study has to do with Zacharias who was a priest and was
assigned temple duties based upon his tribe. The date he was struck
dumb is known. It is the conception of John the immerser.

Later Miriam conceived and that date is known as an offset from Elizabeth,
hence the date.

Because Yah'shua doubled celebrated each of YHvH's Holy Feast days.

The Feast of Tabernacles is appropriate as it has to do with living in
temporary dwelling places. There is a hint in John 1:14.

Interestingly 9 months back from Tabernacles is Hanukah, where the Light
entered the Temple.

shalom b'shem Yah'shua
214 posted on 10/25/2007 2:24:48 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: SuziQ
Mary, the vessel God chose to bare His Son. She is blessed, but she mere human. I have no ill will towards Mary she like me trusted Christ for her salvation. I do take issue with the emphasis placed upon Mary by the Roman Catholic Church. When I walk into a catholic church and I see a mural of Mary in the center larger than Christ at her right with God, the father at her left I find this to be inconsistent with what the gospels teach us. Therefore I cannot use Madonna stamps because of the significance attached to them. The focus is on Mary, not Christ. This is my opinion, again I am not stating anything about catholics being Christian, for God alone judges the heart of man.
215 posted on 10/25/2007 2:30:53 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
>>What? Christians don’t revere the Virgin Mary?
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Well, evangelicals don't much. She was the mother of our Lord . . . but that is all she is seen as. No different from other true believers in the Bible.<<

You don't suppose the woman God chose as his earthly vessel might be special enough to be on a postage stamp?

Especially when this wooden speed boat gets four stamps...


216 posted on 10/25/2007 2:34:51 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Elsiejay
the mortal mother of Jesus, having been arbitrarily elevated to the rank of co-redemptrix,

You really don't know what you're talking about.

1. Nothing about Mary is arbitrary.

2. The Catholic Church has not declared Mary "co-redemptrix". Some Catholics have argued for this -- not arbitrarily, but because they have a carefully reasoned explanation. The Catholic Church will probably resist this argument, in part because people like you will wholly misunderstand the concept some Catholics are trying to put across.

3. If you believe Jesus is truly God and truly man, the Madonna is an excellent way to put that idea across. If you believe (with St. Paul) that the Church is the Body of Christ, you ought to have some interest in where that Body comes from.

217 posted on 10/25/2007 2:39:09 PM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
I doubt Jesus was a fat little European baby.


218 posted on 10/25/2007 2:39:11 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: lilylangtree

“The Postal Service announced the new 2007 Christmas stamp “The Madonna of the Carnation” for Catholics. Also, the USPS came out with the Christmas stamps commemorating the Muslim holiday of EID (Sep 28). Plus, USPS will release stamps recognizing Kwanzaa and Hanukkah (Oct 26). And for those in the “none of the above” category, the Holiday Knits stamps series will be available as of today.”

Didn’t read all the posts through. These stamps have been issued every year since the holiday program rolled out in 2001. Other than the Madonna stamp, that is.

There’s no “slight” intended, it’s simply the line of stamps the USPS designed and issued.


219 posted on 10/25/2007 2:44:45 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: lilylangtree

Oh and as a Christian, I consider the Madonna and Child a Christian representation. I don’t consider it a strictly “Catholic” symbol.


220 posted on 10/25/2007 2:46:09 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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