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How to Cool the Globe
NY Times ^ | October 24, 2007 | KEN CALDEIRA

Posted on 10/24/2007 8:44:33 PM PDT by neverdem

DESPITE growing interest in clean energy technology, it looks as if we are not going to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide anytime soon. The amount in the atmosphere today exceeds the most pessimistic forecasts made just a few years ago, and it is increasing faster than anybody had foreseen.

Even if we could stop adding to greenhouse gases tomorrow, the earth would continue warming for decades — and remain hot for centuries. We would still face the threat of water from melting glaciers lapping at our doorsteps.

What can be done? One idea is to counteract warming by tossing small particles into the stratosphere (above where jets fly). This strategy may sound far-fetched, but it has the potential to cool the earth within months.

Mount Pinatubo, a volcano in the Philippines that erupted in 1991, showed how it works. The eruption resulted in sulfate particles in the stratosphere that reflected the sun’s rays back to space, and as a consequence the earth briefly cooled.

If we could pour a five-gallon bucket’s worth of sulfate particles per second into the stratosphere, it might be enough to keep the earth from warming for 50 years. Tossing twice as much up there could protect us into the next century.

A 1992 report from the National Academy of Sciences suggests that naval artillery, rockets and aircraft exhaust could all be used to send the particles up. The least expensive option might be to use a fire hose suspended from a series of balloons. Scientists have yet to analyze the engineering involved, but the hurdles appear surmountable.

Seeding the stratosphere might not work perfectly. But it would be cheap and easy enough and is worth investigating.

This is not to say that we should give up trying to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Ninety-nine percent of...

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To: neverdem

Good Night. Too much of this stuff could send the earth spiraling into a irrecoverable cooling cycle that we could not recover. As more ice forms, sunlight is reflected out of the atmosphere causing increased cooling. This cycle could surpass the natural equilibrium that CO2 and other greenhouse gasses provide to keep the earth warm.


41 posted on 10/25/2007 2:53:07 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Onelifetogive
I, myself, am more inclined to believe in the cooling in the mega trend. The same group of scientists, when pressed, have a theory that the Earth, at its forming some 4.6 Billion years ago, was a very hot place — hot enough to have liquefied rock at the surface — and was named the Hadean Eon. So, how was it able to cool itself down so that it could support the various arrangement of life it has today? Chemical transformations where the most dense material sank to the core while much of the less dense material remained at the surface and continued to give off electrons in a radioactive (non harmful particle) decay the expended a lot of heat. This radioactive decay is now happening at a slower rate, with less and less heat being generated at the surface. While this process does not have as much of an affect as our sun, it does have a significant affect the is decreasing in its impact.
42 posted on 10/25/2007 3:09:34 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: neverdem
We'd better bookmark this one and put it next to that "how to melt arctic ice" newsweek article from the 1970s. It'll look good in the Journalistic Stupidity Wing of the Museum of Liberalism after the revolution.
43 posted on 10/25/2007 3:12:17 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (I've been waiting since 11/04/79 to do something about Iran.)
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To: neverdem; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; Ole Okie; ...


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44 posted on 10/25/2007 3:30:30 AM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Nachoman

Air trends ‘amplifying’ warming
Reduced air pollution and increased water evaporation appear to be adding to man-made global warming
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4880328.stm

Air trends ‘amplifying’ warming (Oh crap...cleaner air causes global warming)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1612552/posts


45 posted on 10/25/2007 3:40:39 AM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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To: NonValueAdded

LOL of course not. If, if, if...


46 posted on 10/25/2007 5:02:23 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Dumpster Baby

...ah, the good old ‘new’ Tom Swift series...I read them voraciously in my formative years... the clean, crew cut Tom with his sidekick Bud Barclay...and what was the fat cook’s name that hung aroung with them...my favorite was the one about the ‘rare earth’ holmium objects that were discovered in Africa, and how nefarious forces were going to use them to cause global damage...they don’t write ‘em like that anymore...


47 posted on 10/25/2007 5:10:37 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: neverdem

This reminds me so much of the Global Cooling scaremongers in the 70s ... they really have become a parody and a comedy show. Of course they keep trying to deny any mainstream scientists were part of that scaremongering, but I was at university real science seminars that schemes such as this one were discussed then by real scientists, not media sillies, so don’t believe the denials.


48 posted on 10/25/2007 5:13:57 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: neverdem

These idiots might bring on the next ice age if they were successful.


49 posted on 10/25/2007 5:21:24 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: BerniesFriend
" think I have the solution to “cooling the earth”..everyone on earth should leave their refrigerator doors open..the cold air will so cool this helpless planet..Do I have to think of everything?????"

It only works if everyone's refrigerator has been retrofitted with a CFL bulb. You don't want people blindly taking steps to address a perceived problem without first verifying the technology and then validating its application - do you?

50 posted on 10/25/2007 5:34:53 AM PDT by VRWCtaz ("Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness." - Thomas Paine)
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To: hsalaw
All we need is for some looney tune to actually CHANGE our climate. Ice Age, anyone?

Very insightful. We are in a, relatively speaking, very brief warm period between ice ages. Add to the fact that there is only a microscopic amount of man-made global warming and we would be tinkering with processes that are stable and, in fact, self-regulating.

I seem to remember a fiction book that came out some time ago. The premise, if I recall correctly, was that the Sierra Club manage to pass legislation to 'help the environment' that brought about an early ice age. Anyone remember this? It must have been about 20 years ago or thereabouts.

51 posted on 10/25/2007 6:14:08 AM PDT by WileyC
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To: neverdem

If the conversation about greenhouse gas emissions would take a day off, there would be a substantial reduction in greenhouse gas emissions.


52 posted on 10/25/2007 6:16:31 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: VRWCtaz
It only works if everyone's refrigerator has been retrofitted with a CFL bulb.

I am sorry..I only follow the NFL..and so does my refrigerator..

53 posted on 10/25/2007 6:17:01 AM PDT by BerniesFriend
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To: neverdem

How to Cool The Globe? I came up with that answer along time ago, and its so simple.

All we need to do is - everyone at the same time needs to Open their refrigerator door and leave it open until the earth cools down. This has been proven to work by Mothers all over the World, yes even your Mother.
Every single one of you have been told time and time again to, what? “close that refrigerator door, your letting the cold air out.”

You can thank me now for saving the planet.


54 posted on 10/25/2007 6:26:43 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: LowCountryJoe
...and was named the Hadean Eon.

Who was here to name it that?

Is this like that horse in the desert thing?

55 posted on 10/25/2007 6:28:12 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: neverdem

I don’t think we should mess with Mother Nature.


56 posted on 10/25/2007 6:29:44 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: neverdem

At the height of the Ozone crisis more than one scientist suggested injecting methane into the stratosphere to create more ozone in an attempt to make up for what is being lost.

Maybe we should launch a few thousand doomsayers into a low-earth orbit and measure the effects.


57 posted on 10/25/2007 7:16:42 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: denydenydeny

I was on jury duty once with a guy who was born with no arms or even arm-like appendages, he carried his lighter in his shirt pocket and his cigarettes in the other.

He used to sit in the lounge, smoking and reading a magazine between being called to serve.


58 posted on 10/25/2007 7:19:30 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: neverdem

“If it’s not broke, don’t fix it!”


59 posted on 10/25/2007 7:21:14 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Oldexpat

That was Fred Singer’s assignment when the planes were still in the prototype stage - to develop the means and to measure the effects on the stratosphere from SST exhaust streams.


60 posted on 10/25/2007 7:21:46 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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