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Is Ron Paul really so crazy? (townhall)
Townhall.com ^ | 10/23/07 | Jason Wharton

Posted on 10/24/2007 12:03:08 PM PDT by traviskicks

Is Ron Paul crazy for his position on the war and for criticizing our nation's foreign policy? Many believe this to be the case. But, might we be mischaracterizing Ron Paul by over simplifying or clouding the issues? A much closer examination based on facts and sound principles is in order. In the end I will conclude that Ron Paul is indeed crazy. Sorry to spoil it for you.

There are many things in his favor. To answer pressing questions of our time, Ron Paul relies on historical facts many American's are ignorant of. He isn't afraid to reveal clandestine operations and interventions motivated out of our national self-interest or special-interests that have had detrimental results to other peoples in the world.

He is even bold enough to admit there is a tendency on the part of government to cover-up things to maintain a façade that we are always on moral high-ground in the world. Some see in him a rare privilege to have a candidate step forward with a willingness to reveal these inconvenient truths while others choose to characterize him as a “Blame America First” fringe candidate and dismiss the possibility that he could be on to something.

Ron Paul's tendency towards transparency on these matters is at the root of why he is being attacked and marginalized because there is so much denial due to various forms of conditioning of people's opinions. Some people simply can't accept the reality that we are not always angelic and beneficial to others in the world as we were taught in grade school but this is an area where a reality check is definitely in order.

For example, who is it that "radicalized" Islam to fight against the Russians? We did! We created Osama Bin Laden. We created and installed Sadaam Hussein. We have been purposely destabilizing numerous regions and have and are causing all kinds of malice and strife among nations. Could Al Qaeda actually be like Frankenstein’s Monster? Do we really want to tamper so frivolously with the Law of the Harvest as we have been for decades? We deserve to know the facts as a self-governing nation so that We the People can make the best decisions. It’s our responsibility to search them out.

Ron Paul’s popularity is because there are many who are hungry for answers that make sense of all they see going on in the world who don't buy the idea that we are hated because we are rich and free. These people want the truth and are willing to accept the truth of our nation’s imperfections, even if they are unintended consequences of well-meaning actions. Inevitably, this is the crowd who is willing to face up to the reality this implies and to seek to make the world a better place in as peaceful manner as possible. Does this sound insane to you?

Ron Paul’s impeccable record of public and private conduct gives him a very rare position to speak on all matters of his platform without hypocrisy; especially where Constitutional matters are concerned. Coupled with his obvious absence of guile when he speaks he is greatly enlarging the soul of this nation. He is the heart of a much needed revolution to put aside shaping this world through force and control and replacing it with going back to setting a good example and using persuasion and friendship instead, reserving force of arms strictly for self-defense as a last resort only. Is this crazy?

Ron Paul sees Iran as acting in a very logical manner based on what he knows of the history and current events. He recognizes all we are doing to engender strife and conflict and sees how it is coming back to haunt us as countries seek to defend themselves against our policies of aggression. He sees how the continuation and escalation of these failing policies of our past will simply make our national security more threatened. There is an excellent video hosted by TownHall.com where Ron Paul talks about this: Video Link

I am eager to hear other's perspectives and see if I can discern any blind spots or failings in Ron Paul's platform but so far nobody has prevailed against him. Bill O'Reilley’s attempt was miserable because he refused historical facts and valid parallels to be examined to establish a reasoned perspective. Please watch this video: Video Link

There was a post here on TownHall.com by Phil Harris on 10/23/07 where he says that Ron Paul is giving a prescription for disaster but Phil also failed to convince me. In fact, Phil convinced me all the more that Ron Paul's detractors are the ones prescribing the path to disaster. The path Phil promoted is nothing short of an all-out full scale escalation of war with the defined goal to utterly and totally subdue the Islamic people based on the notion that the Islamic people simply want Israel and the USA exterminated from the planet. He promotes the idea that we either annihilate them pre-emptively or they will annihilate us. He leaves no room for any other scenario in his perspective. In either case he promotes there is certain disaster so by his own admission he is the one issuing the prescription of disaster, not Ron Paul.

This kind of over simplification is a brainwashing tactic that tries to get people to think they are helpless and without alternatives while they accuse their opponent of exactly what they themselves are guilty of. Reasoning from a fear-based viewpoint tends to exhibit this kind of contracted and self-accusing thinking and those doing it are knowingly or unknowingly acting as an agent for those who stand to benefit from the war and destruction this mentality will assure. Phil acts as if we are totally powerless to effect real solutions that will avert the death and destruction an all out world conflict would cause. Thanks to having Ron Paul on the stage we get to hear valid alternatives even if they sound crazy to some.

There is a better way but it involves us humbling ourselves as a nation and repenting of our evils we have perpetrated and forgiving the evils that have been perpetrated against us. The world overall will be a much better place by abiding by these principles and trusting in our Creator who gave us these principles with the promise that “eternal life” comes to all who abide by them. This is Ron Paul's platform and it will save this nation, not sacrifice it.

With all the advances in technology we had better evolve as a people before we self-destruct and render our precious planet uninhabitable in our foolish pride and fears born of false assumptions. Could the “eternal life” spoken of in the Bible actually be referring to the set of principles we must collectively live by in order to avoid a conflict to such a point that this planet is rendered unable to accommodate our presence? This question deserves our most serious and sincere consideration. The last person we want in front of "the button" is a myopic fear-based person who is prone to shoot first and ask questions later.

Our current mentality insists that we have to force and sculpt global conditions to stamp out any potential threat pre-emptively as if there is no Creator watching over and protecting this nation. Unfortunately, this is the very mentality that will cause us to become unworthy of divine protection and we will be left to our own strength and devices and we will become considered as “salt that has lost its savor” and we will end up “trodden under the foot of men”. This is universal law in my book.

I implore everyone to set aside some time to do some sincere and humble research into this issue and even make it a matter of prayer/meditation and fasting. I challenge everyone to assure you are not taking this responsibility to chose our Commander in Chief lightly. I challenge all to step up and articulate their position that strikes against the establishment's headlong plunge of our nation into an abyss of death and destruction as Phil, not Ron Paul, is prescribing.

And, as I promised, I do sincerely conclude that yes, Ron Paul is crazy. He is taking on a very powerful group that have patiently endeavored for generations to acquire the positions of power they control and Ron Paul is courageously standing up and giving our nation an opportunity to wake up and keep this nation a free country governed by We the People. The adversary of our freedom is only authorized to sieze the power we willingly lay down. If we don't wisely govern ourselves the default governance imposes a loss of our liberties and we only have ourselves to blame. There is nothing to fear when we seek with all our hearts, might, mind and strength to be responsible and passionate about maintaining our liberties. Darkness cannot abide the light.

This is a very defining moment in our nation's history. All Americans should do a reality check on Ron Paul before dismissing him. We as a nation of self-governance must be willing to stand up and accept the responsibility to be vigilant in preserving our individual liberties and champion those who take the lead, crazy though they are for doing it.


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To: George W. Bush

My goodness GWB, you’re 90+ posts into this thread, I’m not going to go back and read the whole thing as all of the pictures eat bandwith like a 13 yr old scarfs pizza at a free school lunch buffet.

suffice it to say, Ron Paul is a reminder of Republicanism when it was US oriented, low budget deficit low tax low regulation party.

That is painful to some and they react with hostility even in the face of facts to the contrary.

Complain about high taxes?

Ron Paul wants to eliminate the IRS.

Worried about the Deficit?

Ron Paul’s plan to utilize the metallic standard would make such high debt levels impossible.

Worried about the Role of govt growing in people’s lives?
Ron Paul proposes eliminating several Govt agencies.

He is wrong on Iraq, but then again, he never put on a dress and mimiced Marilyn Monroe, nor has he been divorced, nor has he taken a money for his private gynecology practice.

Yep, sounds like a kook to me, I would much rather have a candidate who was a spokesman for an Abortion Org, or who basically ordered Gay Marrigage be included into state law, or who wants Socialized Medicine or ...

Well, that is enough for now, let another candidate mention the Constitution more often and I will take notice of them.


101 posted on 10/24/2007 2:24:47 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ No more miller brewing products, pass it on/Is 3.3)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Actually Eric, “we” the US didn’t provide Saddam with military equipment for the 80-88 war, a few choppers, and dual use biological medium, but not heavy tanks artillery and planes and mortars etc came from France the Soviets and the Germans.

That being said, Ron Paul’s currency plans would crash onto the shore of Petro Dollar/Petro Euro reality.

We have far too much currency and debt floating around the world to ever be able to metalize all of it.


102 posted on 10/24/2007 2:28:56 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ No more miller brewing products, pass it on/Is 3.3)
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To: SJackson; Schnucki; everyone

Surgeon General Warning: This is not a Townhall website article but rather a blog post by a contributor. May cause confusion, hangnails, jock itch, disorientation


103 posted on 10/24/2007 2:35:18 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: padre35
We have far too much currency and debt floating around the world to ever be able to metalize all of it.

I don't RP has ever suggested we could. America never had a fully gold-backed currency in its entire history. He instead talks in terms of a stabilization of currency and hedging against deflation and the manipulation of currency by unscrupulous pols and banking interests, the disincentive toward savings, how the government monetary policy creates an incentive for people going into debt in a big way (the Eighties, or from 2002-2006 for instance), how the end result is something like the S&L bank bailout in the late Eighties and the subprime problems and massive deflation of the dollar currently.

It really won't do to pretend that these things are not the result of government policy and the actions of the Fed. Many people may conclude that the Fed is necessary but it does have its problems. Among them was causing the Great Depression.
104 posted on 10/24/2007 2:37:39 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: padre35

Probably a discussion for a different thread.


105 posted on 10/24/2007 2:38:43 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: padre35
dual use biological medium

You mean his seed stock of anthrax? Yes. Can't recall which agency gave it to him though. Seems it was a midwestern university. We've exported a lot of this stuff around the world, not just to Saddam though. Of course, it has prominent warning labels on it, "Only for research. Do not make WMD!" and stuff like that.
106 posted on 10/24/2007 2:41:39 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

Post #50 LOLOLOL. Good one, good one...


107 posted on 10/24/2007 2:57:32 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on! Thank you Scott Shannon!)
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To: Badeye

Is this your reply to Post #19?


108 posted on 10/24/2007 3:08:49 PM PDT by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: George W. Bush
I see the ever shrinking Republican base has chimed in quite extensively over the one conservative running.

I have a question though. If Hillary does win (and she will win if the Republicans post up a pro-war candidate), and she doesn't bring the troops home, are we supposed to be against the police action then (as in Bosnia, etc.) or are 'good' patriots supposed to support Democratic policies?

I suppose we'll see on January 21,2009 when the first elected Republicans start to rail against bad foreign policy choices..

That is if Dr. Paul isn't President...

109 posted on 10/24/2007 3:12:08 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: George W. Bush

And the famous photo of Rumsfeld meeting Saddam was Rummy doing his job as special Middle Eastern Negotiator, he traveled the entire region in that capacity.

He also was there to tell Saddam to stop using WMD so heavily, this was after they were used on Kurdish villages that supported a Iranian incursion into Iraq.


110 posted on 10/24/2007 3:22:30 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ No more miller brewing products, pass it on/Is 3.3)
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To: traviskicks
For example, who is it that "radicalized" Islam to fight against the Russians? We did! We created Osama Bin Laden.

This is where I stopped reading, because the writer of this slop is ignorant. The reality is that we supported the Afghans, NOT bin laden and his imported Arab jihadists (who hated us as much as they hated the Soviets).

111 posted on 10/24/2007 3:38:40 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: traviskicks

And, yes, he’s batsh!t crazy — but his anti-war lunacy isn’t the only proof.


112 posted on 10/24/2007 3:40:07 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: mnehrling

Is that the Northern Alliance leader who was murdered 2 days before 9/11?


113 posted on 10/24/2007 3:45:17 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: mickey finn

I’m jealous - we only seem to get the LaRouche freaks setting up tables with their badly misspelled handwritten signs. :(


114 posted on 10/24/2007 3:47:22 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: traviskicks
While I like some of Ron Paul’s ideas, he is about one ton of bricks shy of a full load.

For instance, he was on the radio advocating orders of marque and reprisal to fight terror instead of the US military.

In other words pirating and private armies not under any sort of oversight. Which never works out well.

115 posted on 10/24/2007 3:47:32 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

Don’t underestimate yourself — you’ve been on a roll today! :-D


116 posted on 10/24/2007 3:54:29 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: billbears
I have a question though. If Hillary does win (and she will win if the Republicans post up a pro-war candidate), and she doesn't bring the troops home, are we supposed to be against the police action then (as in Bosnia, etc.) or are 'good' patriots supposed to support Democratic policies?

We'll jump off that bridge when we come to it, mister!
117 posted on 10/24/2007 4:01:30 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: redgolum
In other words pirating (...cough...U.S.-funded U.N. troops in Kosovo and elsewhere...cough...) and private armies (...cough...Blackwater and 120 other mercenary army units in Iraq...cough...) not under any sort of oversight.

Fixed a few typos.

Which never works out well.

What'cher point?
118 posted on 10/24/2007 4:06:10 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: traviskicks

Good article. VERY funny video. I, myself have been against our 20 billion dolllar sale to the Saudi’s. Those weapons will be pointing back at the US and our Miliatry in the regiion.


119 posted on 10/24/2007 4:08:09 PM PDT by rineaux (driv'n a pickup with a gun rack does not make you a republican.)
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To: George W. Bush

My point is that Paul is advocating the same policies he is slamming.

And yes, we should send all the mercs out of Iraq (and yes the Blackwater boys are mercs).


120 posted on 10/24/2007 4:08:14 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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