Posted on 10/22/2007 6:48:17 AM PDT by Sopater
But yeah, cant believe some of the dunderhead contestants.
Gotta love the faces that the host makes with some of the wrong answers to very easy questions!
>> The survey findings suggest that Americans are continuing to wrestle with the concept of truth, the nature of God, and the value of the Bible in personal decision-making.
Well, no. I don’t wrestle with any of *these* things.
I do, however, daily wrestle with my own weakness and inability to follow God’s commandments. As Paul said in Romans 7:15,
“For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.”
Uhhh, but isn't that what makes them miracles? That they are not plausible?
The stories are the easy part to believe. Everyone enjoys a fun story about Moses parting the Red Sea. We’ve seen Charlton Heston do it.
Now ask them if they believe John 3:16.
I don’t think He does the impossible, but He does perform acts of which humans are not capable. He created a universe of laws, most of which we still cannot fathom, but I believe He acts consistently within the rules He established.
If my memory serves me correctly you have told me NOT to quote scripture.. If my memory has failed me I apologize.. The plausibility is factor is irrelevant ... That sun doing what it has been doing daily and reliability for eons is nothing less than a miracle... something most in these flesh bodies take for granted, yet a promise it would be.
I doubt even the most die-hard evangelicals would make this type of absurd claim.
I don't remember saying that. Its a free forum; you get to quote whatever you want.
The plausibility is factor is irrelevant
But if they were able to scientifically prove that walking on water was possible, wouldn't it cease to be a miracle?
“If most people believe in many of the stories as fact, then why are they so God-adverse in the personal and family lives?”.
Its quite simple really. It is much harder to live a life dedicated to christian values than it is not to. There is more temptation in this world today and it is much easier to gratify oneself than to turn it away. It really goes to the selfishness of our society. It is very hard to live modestly, and for God, when the Jone’s next door just bought that new car, TV, or boat.
Judging by the direction our society has taken and the politicians who are elected, I wouldn't have thought that many people believe the Bible is true.
Maybe some folks need to ponder on the implications of their beliefs. If the Bible is true, what about my choices and my parenting?
This is a common mistake. The Bible says he slew Goliath with a "sling", not a "sling shot". The two are different.
A Sling:
A Sling-Shot:
Here, knock yourself out:
1Cr 15:12 ¶ Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Cr 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Cr 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then [is] our preaching vain, and your faith [is] also vain.
There are a lot of people out there who “sort of” believe in God. They like some of the good things religion provides them, such as comfort in time of crisis, the promise of an afterlife, and so forth. They have a spiritual need for there to be something other than the material.
So they want God to exist, but they don’t want to have to obey Him. They’re spoiled children who want to be able to do whatever they want, but for daddy to bail them out if they get in trouble. They ignore daddy when he tells them they won’t get in as much trouble if they don’t misbehave in the first place.
The result is a good sized segment of the population believes in God, His Biblical miracles, and His promises of forgiveness and eternal life. But they don’t want to obey Him. They want to party like it’s 1999, to appear “fashionable” to their secular friends, and to generally behave however they wish. But they want God to be there for them when the storm hits.
I believe surveys also show more people believe in the existence of God than of satan. It’s for the same reason. Pro-abortion, pro-homosexuality, secularized Christians want there to be a God to fall back on, but they don’t like the idea of satan and hell at all. Satan raises too many issues regarding their own behavior and their desire to fit in with the often sinful current fashions.
When and if flesh man obtains that scientific knowledge of what walked on water it will not be about the veracity of the action but rather the ability to discern who is performing the action (miracle).
What was the miracle about.... walking on water... I do not view it in that manner, rather an instruction regarding two separate bodies, the 'soul' which does not die when the flesh does, rather returns to the Maker that sent it. Similar to the description of Christ demonstrating that in His risen body would go through a literal in front of their faces wall.... both were there but a wall that stops us in flesh does not stop that Spirit body....
I’m confused. It would have been very difficult for Gilbert West (1703-1756) to state the following:
“there is more historical evidence that Jesus Christ was born, crucified, and was raised from the dead than that Napoleon ever existed.
Why, you ask? Napoleon was born in 1769, 13 years after Gilbert West died.
Where did the quote come from? It was not sourced.
that's why it is called faith.
The quote came from a respected conservative minister on Bott Radio. I thought it would be easy to find, but haven’t, so I’ll withdraw it.
Funny, though, that 24 minutes after I posted it, Google had it on its first page.
Hey! there it is! I wrote it, and then I read it! It must be true.
Laughing at self.
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