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Ron Paul wins Conservative Leadership Conference Straw Poll
Political Derby - Conservative Leadership Conference ^ | October 13th, 2007 | Stephen Fountain

Posted on 10/14/2007 4:35:45 AM PDT by Calpernia

BREAKING NEWS! Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has won the inaugural Conservative Leadership Conference straw poll. Despite not appearing at the conference, Paul won convincingly with 33% of the vote. Mitt Romney, who addressed the conference in a town hall meeting and during a general session, finished second with 16%. Duncan Hunter, who also delivered a major address during the three-day event, finished third at 15%.

The Full Results:

Ron Paul 32.80%

Mitt Romney 16.13%

Duncan Hunter 14.52%

Undecided 11.29%

Fred Thompson 7.53%

Rudy Giuliani 6.45%

Alan Keyes 3.76%

Mike Huckabee 3.23%

Tom Tancredo 1.61%

John McCain 1.08%

Other 1.08%

Sam Brownback 0.54%


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: axisofdesperation; clc; duncanhunter; gopaulgo; mittromney; paulbearers; paulestinians; postcardfromoblivion; ronpaul; rontards; rp4prez; scampi; strawpolls
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To: Calpernia
Remember this post from yesterday that showed Romney in 4th place?
Despite Showing Up In Person, Romney Loses Nev. Straw Poll (Romney's Humiliation)

FALSE!

Romney came in 2nd!

***UPDATE***Correction: An earlier version of this post had incorrect straw poll results. Romney was NOT fourth, but second. The post below is now correct.

181 posted on 10/15/2007 7:41:01 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: ejonesie22
Again, nice fairy tale. Real world is much different.

I gave you ONE Fairy Tale, and 8 "Real World" situations regarding short sited forgein policy...

care to address those?
or the fact that your so called 'pragmatic' approach to forgein policy, always seems to bite us in the ass in the end ...

182 posted on 10/15/2007 7:52:15 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: t_skoz
I think you misunderstand the term "social conservative." Gun rights, fiscal discipline, tax relief, and the like are certainly conservative issues, but not what is usually understood as socially conservative ones. Actually, they are closer to libertarian conservative ones. Again, I see no religious or socially-conservative organizations.

I think another poster was correct in saying that libertarian views were grossly overrepresented, relative to the conservative movement as a whole.

183 posted on 10/15/2007 7:52:30 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender

These wings of the party are married to each other and the GOP can not survive without this marriage. Both the libertarian GOP and the social conservative GOP need each other.

While I’m not seeing “focus on the family” type stuff in this, the Heritage Foundation is a very socially conservative PAC.

Regardless, Dr. Paul is a Christian, who as a medical doctor has delivered over 4000 babies and is very pro-life. He has been married to the same woman for 50 years. He is a VERY socially conservative candidate.


184 posted on 10/15/2007 7:57:41 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: SubGeniusX
You are missing the point, things will not always go as planned when dealing with the realities of the world stage, especially when one has to deal with the lesser of two evils at any given time. Hindsight is 20/20, but time is also of the essence in may circumstances.
185 posted on 10/15/2007 8:14:47 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: ejonesie22
You are missing the point, things will not always go as planned when dealing with the realities of the world stage, especially when one has to deal with the lesser of two evils at any given time. Hindsight is 20/20, but time is also of the essence in may circumstances.

"hindsight is 20/20" is a poor excuse when things are foreseeable... bringing to mind the adage of "those who ignore history, are doomed to repeat it".

or maybe even more appropriate in the words of Ben Franklin - "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

It was foreseeable knowing the history of Islamic Jihad that supporting the Mujahadeen would create the Taliban... It was foreseeable that getting into bed with Saddam, would create the situation we are currently in ...

The entire "Enemy of my Enemy" foreign policy strategy has been a disaster throughout history

186 posted on 10/15/2007 8:27:20 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: t_skoz
These wings of the party are married to each other and the GOP can not survive without this marriage. Both the libertarian GOP and the social conservative GOP need each other.

You're right, they absolutely do need each other, but it's a shaky marriage, and near divorce these days. There are candidates who today who encompass both traditions, as did Reagan. I don't think Paul is one of them.

The trouble with libertarians is that many of them think that everything will be fine in the world if we follow economists like von Mises at home, and if we withdraw from the world internationally. The U.S. is declining for many reasons, but materialistic economic policies and limited government alone will not save us. Our culture must be revived and preserved, and immigration by unfriendly elements must be stopped.

187 posted on 10/15/2007 9:08:07 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Swordfished

No, I wasn’t on that thread.


188 posted on 10/15/2007 9:30:32 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: hellbender

I concur with everything you’ve posted. Except for the assumption that Ron Paul is an isolationist.


189 posted on 10/15/2007 10:03:29 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Calpernia

Good God, I can’t wait for Ron Paul to go away. The
liberals will be sad and it will feel like Christmas.


190 posted on 10/15/2007 10:06:14 AM PDT by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: MEGoody
What rights have you lost?

Same as the ones you've lost. See FOX News judicial expert Andrew Napolitano's speech to the Future Freedom Foundation.

191 posted on 10/15/2007 2:59:26 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
President Reagan was no isolationist or defeatist,

Neither is Ron Paul. By the way, how many countries did Reagan invade? The only one I count is Grenada, to rescue some trapped medical students. And we were there about a week. So Reagan, in your book, was an "isolationist," I guess, because he didn't needlessly invade other countries. He won the cold war without invading Russia - just like we were beating Saddam with sanctions and had no need to launch a distrastrous invasion.

192 posted on 10/15/2007 6:53:14 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: submarinerswife
Good God, I can’t wait for Ron Paul to go away.

You might have to wait a long time. When he starts losing straw polls and caucuses, then we can talk - but I think he's won more than any other GOP candidate so far, hasn't he?

193 posted on 10/15/2007 7:04:52 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Paulies were in great force there and annoying to say the least. I really think the poll was not moderated as well as it could’ve been. To be a more concise poll, they should’ve separated the votes based upon your party affiliation. If you were libertarian, they should’ve have tallied those votes separately and did the same for independents and republicans.

So...yes, this conference was one of those that was not quite what most would consider “conservative”. However, I feel that there are a lot of libertarians that relate more to the conservative movement. There was quite a mix of people there and if you look at what was taught at the convention, you could see why it gathered such a diverse group of people. The organizers of the conference stated that it was a libertarian-leaning conference. That means that most of those folks throw their hat to Ron Paul.

It’s not big news for Ron Paul even though you may perceive it that way. As I mentioned, if Ron Paul hadn’t won the straw poll, there would’ve been something wrong with the makeup of the conference. Ron Paul did have a booth set up at the conference and they cluttered up the hallways with their signs everywhere. It was quite bothersome.


194 posted on 10/16/2007 1:38:57 AM PDT by sierrascrapper (DUNCAN HUNTER 08 join us at http://duncanhunter.meetup.com/1/)
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To: Old 300
a candidate on fire for liberty

I do not think that Robespierre is a conservarive ideal.

195 posted on 10/16/2007 2:15:25 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: Old 300
Same as the ones you've lost.

There's nothing I want to do that I have lost the right to do. What rights have you lost for doing things you want to do?

196 posted on 10/16/2007 5:45:50 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

The searing truth about God-given rights is that we are not at liberty to give them up for one another.


197 posted on 10/16/2007 4:43:13 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I do not think that Robespierre is a conservarive ideal.

Robespierre was a lawless man. Ron Paul is the one demanding that the law be upheld. It is our current leaders who refuse to obey the laws. The Constitution is supreme over the land, It must be amended to conduct activities it forbids. Yet from the first amendment to leaving our borders wide open, the current government has no intention of upholding the law.

The responsibility for the destruction of our country is firmly on the shoulders of the lawless in power. It is not too late to change course and restore the Constitution. If we do not, our Republic will collapse like so many others before it on the ash heap of history.

198 posted on 10/16/2007 4:53:33 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: Old 300
Robespierre was a lawless man.

Robespierre was a lawyer, man.

199 posted on 10/16/2007 5:39:08 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: Old 300
” the globalist machine must be kept stoked and rolling forward.”

Is that what the Grateful Dead called themselves after Jerry Garcia died?

The Globalist Machine rhythm and blues band, tonight only..

200 posted on 10/16/2007 5:42:35 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious. Orwell)
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