On Coulter, Christians, And Jews

American Thinker ^ | October 13, 2007 | Steven M. Warshawsky

[neverdem]

On Donny Deutch's television talk show earlier this week, Ann Coulter honestly answered "yes" when asked by Deutch if she believes that this country "would be better if we were all Christian."  She further stated that Christians "just want Jews to be perfected," i.e., to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior.  (The full transcript is here .)

Let the outrage begin!

Deutch, a liberal Jew, accused Coulter of making "hateful" and "anti-Semitic" remarks.

Michael Savage, host of one of the most popular conservative talk radio shows, and also a Jew, likewise accused Coulter of anti-Semitism, and called her a "deranged hag" for good measure.

I must say that Savage's comments surprised me, because he has been one of the strongest voices in recent years against the cult of "political correctness."  And what is Coulter's crime in this case?  Not that she is an anti-Semite.  This is absurd.  I seriously doubt that either Savage or Deutch truly believes that Coulter "hates" Jews.  Rather, Coulter's crime is that she violated one of PC's most sacred taboos:  Expressing belief in the correctness of one's religion.  The only thing worse than this in PC land is asserting the superiority of one's race. 

Well, at least when it comes to white Christians.  For the rules of PC do not apply equally to all.  They do not apply to Jews or blacks or women (except to the extent these groups express "conservative" points of view).  The strictures and penalties of PC only apply to the majority of the American people, as well as to the Founding Fathers who established this great country, and to the many generations of overwhelmingly white Christian Americans who built this nation into the freest, richest, and most powerful country on earth, and defended our country through several bloody wars against its enemies, foreign and domestic. 

The ideology of PC is anti-American to its core.  Its fundamental purpose is not to ensure that "minority" Americans share more fully in the American Dream.  Its goal is to tear apart this nation -- its people, its culture, its history -- root and branch, and replace it with a miasma of atheism, socialism, and multiculturalism.  To see Michael Savage acting the part of PC police is stunning.     

Moreover, for Jews of any political persuasion to take offense at Coulter's comments strikes me as deeply ignorant and immature.  Do Jews truly expect Christians to pretend that they do not believe in the teachings of their religion?  Why?  Because so many Jews have discarded the teachings of their own religion?  (I myself am a secular Jew.)  The "logic" at work here seems to be that, because so many Jews can imagine, along with John Lennon, a world in which "there's no heaven" and "no religion too," it is offensive and outrageous for other folks to disagree with this sanitized vision of the future.  Many Christians, however, still believe in their religion, still believe it is the path to eternal salvation, and fail to appreciate what is so wonderful about the fairy tale world invoked in Lennon's song.  From a PC perspective, this makes them "insensitive" and "bigoted" and "hateful."

I say, thank god that so many Christians in this country still believe in their religion!  That is the only thing that will prevent the violent and tyrannical expansion of the Muslim world.  And that is the only thing that will preserve the existence of the Jewish people.

As a Jew, I recognize, with painful humility, that the existence of my person, my people, lies at the mercy of the larger, stronger peoples in whose midst we live.  To deny this fact is to deny reality.  Not too long ago, the people of Nazi Germany, along with their allies and collaborators, attempted to eradicate the Jewish people once and for all.  The Final Solution they called it.  They nearly succeeded.  But while the Germans and Poles and Dutch and French and the many others who participated in this obscene massacre were Christians, it was not their Christianity that impelled them to these acts.  It was the vicious political ideology of the Nazis.  This is what triggered the Holocaust.

The truth is that the Jews of Europe could not have saved themselves from Hitler's rampage.  Practically every Jew alive today owes his or her existence to the fact that Hitler was defeated by the brave and virtuous troops of the Anglo-American alliance, practically all of whom were Christians too.  Could FDR and Churchill and the rest of the western leaders have done more to help the Jews, both before and during the war?  Perhaps.  (Forget what the Soviets could have done; their moral corruption ran almost as deep as the Nazis'.)  But I refuse to play that despicable blame game.  I simply am grateful for the good people of this country, who made for my grandparents and parents, and now for me, the best home on earth that Jews have ever enjoyed.      

Today, the leaders of Iran -- the most powerful Islamic nation, with aspirations of regional, indeed world, domination -- speak openly of eliminating the state of Israel, i.e., the largest concentration of Jews outside of the United States.  Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has vowed repeatedly to "wipe Israel off the map."  Just this week, the former president of Iran, Hashemi Rafsanjani (often referred to as a "moderate"), commented during a sermon (yes, during a religious service)  that the Nazis "saved" Europe from the evils of Zionism.  In other words, the Nazis did Europe a favor by murdering six million Jews.  Where was the outrage from western leftists?  Where were the screams of protest from liberal Jews?  What will these idiots say when the nuclear bombs start falling on Israel?  Probably that Israel caused it, or could have prevented it, or even deserved it.  The mere existence of the Jewish state will be deemed sufficient justification for its total destruction.  My stomach is sick with the thought of how easily Muslim genocide of Jews will be excused, even by Jews themselves.

Make no mistake, New York City -- i.e., "Jew York City" -- will be next.  Destroy Israel and New York City, and most of the world's remaining Jews will be dead.  When this day comes, a substantial part of the Muslim world will be cheering, just as they cheered the destruction of the World Trade Towers on 9/11.

But measured by the amount of heat and vitriol her comments generated, the real enemy apparently is Ann Coulter.  How dare she assert the truth of her religion?  True or not, I know that Christianity is far preferable to Islam.  Would Donny Deutch and Michael Savage and all of the other critics who are blasting Coulter rather live in a Muslim country?  One does not have to be a scholar of the world's religions (and I am not) to know the answer to that question. 

This is the real choice facing Jews in this country, and even in Israel.  John Lennon's fantasy of universal peace and love and brotherhood does not exist, and never will exist.  The fate of the world's Jews, and Christians for that matter, ultimately depends on the ability and willingness of the Christian West, especially the United States, to prevail in the steadily intensifying struggle we are witnessing across the globe between Islam and Christianity. 

What Deutch and Savage and the other critics fail to understand is that only a Christian people who truly believes in the correctness, indeed superiority, of their religion will be able to win this fight.  A secularized people who believes in nothing but watery principles of tolerance and democracy inevitably will succumb to the combination of violent Islamic intimidation and the "nondiscriminatory" imperatives of their own multicultural worldview.  If sharia ever does come to the United States, I am quite certain that its handmaidens will be atheists and liberals, not believing Christians.

As a Jew living in this great country, I have no doubt who my enemies are, and who are my allies.  And I know to which group Ann Coulter belongs.

Steven M. Warshawsky      

[Louis Foxwell]

no, we’d rather live in an American country...one that just leaves Jews and members of all peaceful faiths alone without trying to insinuate that one faith is ‘perfect’ and the other is ‘imperfect.’

Your ignorance of the carefully chosen term, "perfected", by Ann is matched by Savage and others.

As a follower of Christ I am perfected in him, not made perfect in any earthly sense. The law of Moses leaves, as Jesus taught, all believers lost in sin since none are perfect.

Jesus said, "You must be born again...", meaning, as Paul explained, that the old man of sin and death must die that the new man of the Spirit can be born. This is the "perfection" that Ann talked about. It is basic Christian doctrine and is at the core of our faith.

Jesus' teachings, his sacrifice and the salvation he offers are, by any measure, the fulfillment of the Jewish faith. Christians understand that they and Jews are one in the Spirit, brothers and sisters in mutual love for the Father. The Messiah is, after all, Jewish.

The author points out that Ann is being scorned as a True Believer. This contempt for faith is the core of Marxism. The genius of Marxism lies in its ability to pervert the truth with high sounding condemnations of lovers of truth. It is axiomatic that politically correct thought - Marxist doctrine - is the enemy of truth. Listen carefully to Hillary, a brilliant Marxist, and you may begin to understand.

[Vision Thing]

Now I am strong enough not to be personally bothered by anything Ann says. But I am looking at the next elections and a possible Hillary vs Rudy looking very likely, we are not exactly helped by any of this.

And that is going to help islam in the end.

So when Donny Deutch verbally ambushes Ann, and she answers in a way that is consistent with Christianity, Islam is strengthened?

Now that's a non sequiter.

[Louis Foxwell]

ping - It is early, yet, but could be a worthwhile thread.

[Eagles6]

Good post.

[syriacus]

Coulter's crime is that she violated one of PC's most sacred taboos:  Expressing belief in the correctness of one's religion.

Yes.

[ari-freedom]

I know the Jewish Bible. I try to follow my faith and not interested in changing or antagonizing the peaceful faiths of others. I did not realize that Ann Coulter represented Christianity.

[donmeaker]

Back when I was a Christian, it was taught that Christians owe a debt of gratitude to the Jews. Jews were the one people who through G-d’s grace, and their own study of Torah, were holy enough that G-d could send his Messiah.

[Frwy]

Ann Coulter is dead wrong. The Jews need to be practicing their religion. The Christians (formally Gentiles) need to be about serving their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ - a JEW not by accident, while on earth, in the flesh. God made a covenant with his chosen people and that covenant remains today. We, as Christians, have a covenant with God through the shed blood of His Son, Jesus Christ. And through that covenant, we have been grafted in with the Jews.

What Ann Coulter is referring to is "Replacement Theology". It is a very wrong headed idea being preached in thousands of Christian churches that God "replaced" His covenant with the Jews with a new covenant with the Gentiles. This is so not true. To believe that God made promises to the Jews and now has rescinded them is to say God is a liar. God can not lie. He has not broken His covenant with His chosen people. If we as a nation and as individuals don't defend Israel then it is us, Christians, who are breaking God's New Testament covenant with the Gentiles.

This is the truth as laid out in the Bible. It's a wondrous thing. Praise God.

[Paperdoll]

Ann Coulter is a Christian, as am I. As Christians we have been given the Great Commission to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to all the world.

God has given each of us free will to accept or reject His Son Who died for our sins. We Christians want salvation for all peoples, for to accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, we will live eternally in Heaven. It is up to each person to make that decision one way or the other.

This is a simplification of what Ann Coulter was trying to say. It was not intended to offend anyone. Michael Medved and Dennis Prager, both Jews, have defended Ann Coulter. People who have no faith in a higher being either do not understand, or prefer to deliberately misunderstand in order to push their own religon, or lack thereof.

[syriacus]

I say, thank god that so many Christians in this country still believe in their religion!  That is the only thing that will prevent the violent and tyrannical expansion of the Muslim world.  And that is the only thing that will preserve the existence of the Jewish people.

Pierre Sauvage recognizes the same thing. Dedicated Christians saved his life.

The Message of Le Chambon by Pierre Sauvage, [who did the documentary." Weapons of the Spirit"] July 7, 2004

In and around Le Chambon, some 5,000 Jews were sheltered during the Holocaust—by some 5,000 Christians.  There were a hundred of us former refugees who gathered there last month, right after D-Day, for our own Liberation Reunion, the first such reunion since 1986.  The French president’s visit fills with pride and gratitude all those who care deeply about this tiny corner of the world that under the Nazi occupation never ceased to be free.

Perhaps President Chirac will have the boldness to acknowledge in his address that it is not the narrowly defined secular values of the French Republic that motivated the Righteous of Le Chambon.

  Everybody who knew the area then agrees that what was accomplished there was a response to more ancient and intimate personal priorities, rooted in Christian faith and in the population’s distinctive sense of identity as descendants of once persecuted Huguenots.

[Just mythoughts]

I read your post but I can’t find any Scripture OLD or NEW to back up what you claim.

[syriacus]

The Jews need to be practicing their religion.

Is it all right for 1 Jew to convert to Christianity?

Is it all right for 100 Jews to convert ?

Is it all right for 10,000 Jews to convert?

What upper limit on the number of conversions did God set?

[ari-freedom]

Everyone is trying to simplify or explain what Ann says...I don’t think you see the basic problem I have with Ann. This is just one small part of a general pattern of hers that is turning people off from conservatives. Eventually someone will have to say “Ann, we love you but what you are doing is not helpful.”

[CARTOUCHE]

How true. Au Savage is such an unmitigated ass it raises my hackles to have to listen to him. We are reminded daily of how intelligent he is, how learned, how sick he feels, and still such a learned man screams into a microphone and expects the audience not to laugh his antics off in derisive fashion. I wrote my station here in KC to ask the program director to pull him off and replace him with Levin.

[WFTR]

The most ironic part of this entire controversy is that Ann Coulter actually brought up the issue that has shaped so much of Christian history. Jesus came 2000 years ago and said that He would fulfill or "perfect" the promises that God had made to His people, the Jews. The Jews didn't see Jesus as the promised Messiah, and they eventually crucified Jesus for making that claim. While many of the early Christians were killed by the Romans because the Romans didn't like seeing a new religion gaining popularity, much of the instigation against Christians came from Jews who were angry that Christians still saw Jesus as someone who fulfilled/perfected God's Old Testament promises. Ann did an okay job making theological points, but I wonder whether she intended to stir up this controversy in this way.

My big problem with the way that she approached the issue is that she started from an idealized vision of the United States. While having everyone convert to Christianity might seem nice to some Americans who are Christians, religious homogeneity isn't necessary for our country to be the best that it can be. We need some common ground on what kind of society we will have and how people will behave in public. We need some common ground on the goals of government and the means of reaching those goals. We don't need to all worship the same God or worship God in the same way. I'm not saying that all religions are or are not equally valid. I'm saying that the question of whether they are equally valid is not necessary to our country becoming the "shining city on a hill."

Bill

[Hila]

Thank you! And it is also Scriptural that the Almighty Himself has blinded Judah to the Messiah - however He will open their eyes and the time is coming. No Ann Coulter has the right nor the right words, nor the correct theology to make a blanket statement that Jews have to be perfected. Obviously, she needs to study the Scriptures and be more learned; her statement was anti-semitic and ignorant. They will know she is His disciple by the love...that was no loving, baby.

[Just mythoughts]

Where does it say that Judah was blinded?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[ari-freedom]

Savage is also not exactly the best thing to happen to conservatives. Perhaps Savage and Coulter should write a new book entitled “Thoughtless. How dumb folks like us are ruining the conservative movement.”

[jbp1]

duetsch is a piece of crap. period. he should be on mtv

and savage is a blowhard who can’t think of the world beyond his immediate vision for more
than about 25 seconds, and then has to talk about himself. what an ego.......

sure coulter spews incindiary stuff, but she at least can take the heat.

now can’t we leave this topic and get back to anna nicole and brittany?