Ann Coulter did NOT use the word "NEED"

Coulter/Deutsch Transcript

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

DEUTSCH: Let me ask you a question. We're going to get off strengths and weakness for a second. If you had your way, and all of your — forget that any of them —

COULTER: I like this.

DEUTSCH: — are calculated marketing teases, and your dreams, which are genuine, came true having to do with immigration, having to do with women's — with abortion — what would this country look like?

COULTER: UMMMMM (pause) ... It would look like New York City during the Republican National Convention. In fact, that's what I think heaven is going to look like.

DEUTSCH: And what did that look like?

COULTER: Happy, joyful Republicans in the greatest city in the world.

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, no, but I'm talking about this country. You don't want to make this country — it's not about Republicans. I'm saying, what would the fabric of this country look like? Forget that the Republicans would be running the show.

COULTER: Well, everyone would root for America, the Democratic Party would look like Joe Lieberman, the Republican Party would look like Duncan Hunter —

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, I don't want — I'm not talking about politically the landscape. What would our — would we be safer? Would people be happier? Would they be more —

COULTER: We would be a lot safer.

DEUTSCH: Would there be more tolerance? Would there be — would women be happier, would the races get along better? The Ann Coulter subscription — prescription. What — tell me what would be different in our fabric of country, because —

COULTER: Well, all of those things.

DEUTSCH: I can give — I can give you an argument there would be more divisiveness, that there would be more hate —

COULTER: Oh, no.

DEUTSCH: That there would be a bigger difference between the rich and the poor, a lot of other — tell me what — why this would be a better world? Let's give you — I'm going to give you — say this is your show.

COULTER: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America, they —

DEUTSCH: Christian — so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?

COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?

DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?

COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you're not.

DEUTSCH: I actually am. That's not true. I really am. But — so we would be better if we were — if people — if there were no Jews, no Buddhists —

COULTER: Whenever I'm harangued by —

DEUTSCH: — in this country? You can't believe that.

COULTER: — you know, liberals on diversity —

DEUTSCH: Here you go again.

COULTER: No, it's true. I give all of these speeches at megachurches across America, and the one thing that's really striking about it is how utterly, completely diverse they are, and completely unself-consciously. You walk past a mixed-race couple in New York, and it's like they have a chip on their shoulder. They're just waiting for somebody to say something, as if anybody would. And —

DEUTSCH: I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that at all. Maybe you have the chip looking at them. I see a lot of interracial couples, and I don't see any more or less chips there either way. That's erroneous.

COULTER: No. In fact, there was an entire "Seinfeld" episode about Elaine and her boyfriend dating because they wanted to be a mixed-race couple, so you're lying.

DEUTSCH: Oh, because of some "Seinfeld" episode? OK.

COULTER: But yeah, I think that's reflective of what's going on in the culture, but it is completely striking that at these huge megachurches — the idea that, you know, the more Christian you are, the less tolerant you would be is preposterous.

DEUTSCH: That isn't what I said, but you said I should not — we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or —

COULTER: Yeah.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Well, it's a lot easier. It's kind of a fast track.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Yeah. You have to obey.

DEUTSCH: You can't possibly believe that.

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: You can't possibly — you're too educated, you can't — you're like my friend in —

COULTER: Do you know what Christianity is? We believe your religion, but you have to obey.

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, but I mean —

COULTER: We have the fast-track program.

DEUTSCH: Why don't I put you with the head of Iran? I mean, come on. You can't believe that.

COULTER: The head of Iran is not a Christian.

DEUTSCH: No, but in fact, "Let's wipe Israel" —

COULTER: I don't know if you've been paying attention.

DEUTSCH: "Let's wipe Israel off the earth." I mean, what, no Jews?

COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.

DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn't really say that, did you?

COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we're all sinners —

DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued — when you say something absurd like that, there's no —

COULTER: What's absurd?

DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I'm going to go off and try to perfect myself —

COULTER: Well, that's what the New Testament says.

DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans," and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I'm offended by that personally. And we'll have more "Big Idea" when we come back.

(BREAK)

DEUTSCH: Welcome back to "The Big Idea." During the break, Ann said she wanted to explain her last comment. So I'm going to give her a chance. So you don't think that was offensive?

COULTER: No. I'm sorry. It is not intended to be. I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to, you know, live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament.

DEUTSCH: You said — your exact words were, "Jews need to be perfected." Those are the words out of your mouth.

COULTER: No, I'm saying that's what a Christian is.

DEUTSCH: But that's what you said — don't you see how hateful, how anti-Semitic —

COULTER: No!

DEUTSCH: How do you not see? You're an educated woman. How do you not see that?

COULTER: That isn't hateful at all.

DEUTSCH: But that's even a scarier thought. OK —

COULTER: No, no, no, no, no. I don't want you being offended by this. This is what Christians consider themselves, because our testament is the continuation of your testament. You know that. So we think Jews go to heaven. I mean (Jerry) Falwell himself said that, but you have to follow laws. Ours is "Christ died for our sins." We consider ourselves perfected Christians. For me to say that for you to become a Christian is to become a perfected Christian is not offensive at all.

DEUTSCH: We will let the audience decide then, won't we? Ann Coulter. New book. More "Big Idea" straight ahead.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

There are now literally hundreds of stories in the media [even in ostensibly conservative outlets] claiming that Ann Coulter said that "Jews NEED to be perfected":

http://news.google.com/news?safe=off&q=%2B%22need%22+perfected

But go to the top of this page, hit "CTRL-F" to bring up your "Find" panel, search for the word "need", and you will discover that the only person who used the word "need" in that entire conversation was Deutsch himself.

Ann's actual words were:

COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.

Furthermore, Ann goes on to declare that she considers herself to be a Jewess [albeit "perfected"]:

COULTER: No. I'm sorry. It is not intended to be. I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews.

[maica]

Every Christian service has readings from the Old Testament as well as the New.

[South40]

DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I'm going to go off and try to perfect myself —

He needs perfecting.

[Brilliant]

Are you trying to keep this story alive?

[Just mythoughts]

Well Christ continuously quoted the ‘supposed’ Old. Thing of it is that Paul says that what happened to ‘them’ would happen again to bring in the end of this earth age.

Sure has been interesting reading and watching the sharp claws come out for Ann. Chirst wasn’t that popular either unless food was getting served.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Are you trying to keep this story alive?

I'm trying to point out that the quote "Jews need to be perfected" is DEUTSCH, not COULTER:

COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.

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DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans," and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I'm offended by that personally. And we'll have more "Big Idea" when we come back.

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DEUTSCH: You said — your exact words were, "Jews need to be perfected." Those are the words out of your mouth.

There are now hundreds of news stories claiming that Ann Coulter said "Jews need to be perfected":

http://news.google.com/news?safe=off&q=%2B%22Jews+need+to+be+perfected%22

But Ann Coulter did not say that, DEUTSCH SAID IT.

When the media quote Ann as having said that, they are actually quoting Deutsch who, in turn, in MIS-quoting Ann.

[wastedyears]

Like the FReeper handle on here, tolerance sucks rocks.

[Just mythoughts]

Truth is NOT the issue this is just the ‘perfect’ set-up opening for alllllllllll those offended by Ann’s take on evolution in her book “Godless”.

[labette]

"When the media quote Ann as having said that, they are actually quoting Deutsch who, in turn, in MIS-quoting Ann.

Quite correct. What a pity that there are plenty of those who willfully spread this smear....On a conservative forum, no less.

[xzins]

The Apostle Paul called the Church, "The Israel of God." (Galatians 6:16) He says very clearly in Romans 9:

For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

The Apostle Paul said earlier in Romans 2:

Romans 2:28 A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.

That is what Ann was referring to. She did nothing more than express extremely common Christian scripture and doctrine.

Ann's underestimated the bibilical illiteracy of America.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

Deutsch put quite a bit of effort in TRYING to put words into her mouth.....in fact, so much that it sounds intentional, but he failed to do so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVtL80HqjEk

[Popocatapetl]

I have to disagree. Not with her version of Christianity, but with other versions of Christianity. Calvinism, for example.

One of the formative works of American Calvinism is the poem “Day of Doom”, by Michael Wigglesworth, a neurotic and sick individual, tormented by feelings of inferiority and repressed homosexuality, and rife with idealistic pessimism. In short, everything that Calvinism stood and stands for.

It is a poem about Judgment Day, in which a stern and cruel Jesus sits on his hard throne and judges mankind, not as individuals, but as groups. And almost all are condemned to Hell because they have failed Him. A mere handful of wealthy and powerful Calvinists are saved.

“Infant damnation and grace abounding.” Where a Calvinist preacher would attend a bereaved family, and assure them that their mentally ill daughter was indeed condemned to Hell because she had committed suicide. Teaching in their church that the wealthy and powerful are blessed, and the poor and downtrodden are cursed, the favoritism of God shown on Earth. It is a bitter and unhappy faith.

And what of some of the Orthodox Christian churches? Bowing and scraping before icons and graven images, with Priests little more than shaman, selling blessings and magical potions.

Even the embrace of Catholicism around the world has often been tainted with pagan beliefs. The great cult of “Santa Muerta”, and re-named Aztec deities in Mexico, the Voodoo Christianity of the Caribbean and South America, and the bottom of the barrel, Episcopalianism.

No, the Christianity of Ann Coulter, and most of those here, is a far cry from Christianity in many parts of the world.

[Jorge]

"need" "we want" yada yada yada.

Talk about splitting hairs.

This is a real tempest in a teapot.

[popdonnelly]

It’s Media Matters. They’re lying. They don’t care. Screw them.

[Just mythoughts]

Deutsch put quite a bit of effort in TRYING to put words into her mouth.....in fact, so much that it sounds intentional, but he failed to do so.

Yes he did attempt to deceive. He and his media cohorts have been successful in planting their deception, just look at the 'I am offended by Ann comments', posted just since this media twisting got a strong hot wind. Kinda like sorting the wheat from the chaff!!!! Thank you Ann!!!!

[muawiyah]

Deutsch definitely has a direct line in to Beelzebub ~

[SoConPubbie]

Hey, thanks for sharing the unintelligible rant!

[guinnessman]

After all this time, it still amazes me.

It’s the same old liberal mindset: “Unless you validate my beliefs and my lifestyle, you are being offensive.”

Why can’t they simply accept that we have beliefs that are different from theirs? Isn’t that what “tolerance and diversity” is all about?

Why on earth would anyone be a Christian if he didn’t believe that Jesus Christ was the Way to salvation?

A few months ago, Pope Benedict declared that the fullness of truth lies in the Catholic faith. Some people were shocked and offended. Why is that? Why would anyone follow a religious belief unless he believed that that religion was the one true way to salvation?

Am I missing something here?

End of rant.

[Candor7]

Anne stated that Jews should be converted to Christianity? Naw. Something stinks in Denmark. Lets get the correct context of her statement, before this gets ugly.

Knowing Anne, I wager that her remarks were directed to liberal socialist Jews who support the Democrat Party.

After all, the Islamofascists believe all Christians should be converted to Islam and are willing to kill to make that point. So I have a feeling DEUTSCH has been had here, and looks quite ridiculous.Talk about operating on stereotypes of conservatives and Republicans ( Christians), DEUTCH takes the cake.

Anne wants the Jewish folks like DOUCHE who do not support the US policy on Iran and Iraq, to do a little thinking , which would be the general motivation behind such a remark.

This interview proves that liberal socialist are basically in their own little sereotypical world. And just as in 1938, the world is about to bite them in their Utopian posteriers, BIG TIME! Thats a wake up.

[BusterBear]

we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say

Well, in the context of 21st century America, this statement seems innocuous enough - she is just stating her beliefs. And it would have been innocuous when the Christians were still just a minority sect in the Roman Empire. But once Christianity became the state religion under Constantine and later on throughout Europe, such statements took on more ominous implications, - when religion became a matter of life or death and Europeans were preoccupied with the question of what to do with "their Jews." Should they convert and assimilate them, or ghettoize them, or expel them, or kill them. When you put these kinds of statements in the historical context of 2000 years, you can see why some people get the willies.