Posted on 10/11/2007 1:23:10 PM PDT by america4vr
NEW YORK Appearing on Donny Deutsch's CNBC show, "The Big Idea," on Monday night, columnist/author Ann Coulter suggested that the U.S. would be a better place if there weren't any Jewish people and that they needed to "perfect" themselves into -- Christians.
It led Deutsch to suggest that surely she couldn't mean that, and when she insisted she did, he said this sounded "anti-Semitic."
Asked by Deutsch whether she wanted to be like "the head of Iran" and "wipe Israel off the Earth," Coulter stated: "No, we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament."
Deutsch told E&P's sibling magazine, Adweek, today, "I was offended. And then, and this was interesting, she started to back off and seemed a little upset."
Asked to gauge her reaction, Deutsch said, "I think she got frightened that maybe she had crossed a line, that this was maybe a faux pas of great proportions. I mean, did it show ignorance? Anti-Semitism? It wasn't just one of those silly things."
A transcript, provided by Media Matters, follows. *
DEUTSCH: Christian -- so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?
COULTER: Yes.
DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?
COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?
DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?
COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you're not.
DEUTSCH: I actually am. That's not true. I really am. But -- so we would be better if we were - if people -- if there were no Jews, no Buddhists --
COULTER: Whenever I'm harangued by --
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Are we so self delusional as to think that Christians do not consider themselves above Jews - that Christians consider themselves as Jesus’ Chosen People?
Criticize Ann all you want but she is only stating the 2000 year old obvious.
And how is this anti-semetic if Jews similarly consider themselves God’s Chosen People? Are Jews then anti-goy?
You think it is bizarre that a Christian wants other people including Jews to be saved? That is bizarre.
>I’m not trying to convert you or anybody else.
I didn’t say you were. I was suggesting you not bother.
>The Holy Spirit does that.
Not to me.
>My job is to tell you the truth.
Good luck with that, you’ll need it. Your perception of the truth differs from mine. Greatly.
>If you are not seeking God, you will never find Him.
How about you let me—and God—worry about that. I’m prepared to take responsibility for the consequences. And I’m quite secure in my faith, thank you very much.
>It’s not your Jewishness that is the problem. It’s your non belief.
Kindly refrain from presuming what I am, what my problems are, and what my beliefs are, and I’ll gladly do the same.
>One religion is no different than another if Christ isn’t at the Head of it.
I do not share this belief.
>If you have led a sinless life, you have no worries.
I’m comfortable with leaving that to God, not you.
>I need Christ for myself.
That’s fine. I do not share that need.
>The self righteous only have their own righteousness to present to God.
Whatever. I prefer to keep the matter of spirituality to myself, and I’ve spent more time, publicly, on this tonight than in quite some time. It’s distasteful, and has nothing to do with my faith.
>God said our righteousness were as filthy rags( womens menstrual rags).
Maybe your God said that. Not mine.
>I choose the righteousness of Jesus to represent me.
I do not.
>If you are Jewish, your belief system says you must sacrifice an animal to get forgiveness. How many sacrifices have you done?
I was born Jewish. I do not observe the religion or its rituals. I do believe that the lessons I was taught about being a good person are the best examples of what it means to be a Jew, which I remain even if I do not observe the religion. I’ll leave it to someone else to care if I should still be a Jew if I choose to convert to another religion, which is rather unlikely. If it makes anybody who needs to, feel better, I am not an observant Jew. That does not mean I am not a Jew, however.
>How many sacrifices has the Jewish nation performed since Jesus was crucified or the Temple was destroyed?
You are asking the wrong person.
>Why haven’t they rebuilt the Temple if you believe this practice is necessary?
I believe no such thing.
>Even observant Jews don’t adhere to all the Commandments of God.
If it makes you feel better to say that, fine. I believe the Orthodox and probably the Hasidim would take issue with this. However, it is not my concern.
>Calling yourself Jewish is more a cultural or racial idea than a religious one.
Not racial, but otherwise correct in theory. Being Jewish is an identity. Sorry if you have a problem with that. I do not.
>Have all the Jews since the Temple was destroyed gone to Hell?
You seem to know more about it than I do.
>It’s like cafeteria Catholics or any other denomination. You can’t pick and choose what you will believe and not. Even the Old Testament is enough to show you Christ. The New Testament is just the Messiah revealed.
This is wasted on the wrong person. Quite frankly, what I believe is not actually any of your business. I’m not even sure I could put my belief in God into words; but I will say that it’s easier for me to say that I do not worship as you do. However, I have no interest in providing any reason why you should worship as I do.
I prefer to keep my spirituality to myself.
>You seem awfully comfortable going to hell.
If it’s a place devoid of your God that would send me there based on my beliefs and desire to be a good person, then, yes. But I’m not interested in making any judgments on your desire to end up where YOU wish to.
>It’s not about me or what I think. It’s between you and God and what you thought of His Son’s sacrifice for you.
We believe differently. Not sure why this is so difficult a concept. I say Jesus was not the son of God. You speak as though this is something I have no choice but to believe. Is that how you feel?
>Democrats are so blinded by their hatred of Bush, they would destroy America to keep from giving him any credit.
Well, I knew we agreed on something, otherwise we wouldn’t both be posting here.
>Don’t let your opinion of me get in the way of your relationship with God.
Don’t flatter yourself.
>The Truth is the Truth, whether I tell you or someone else.
Then I’ll have to tell you flat-out that I reject that which you characterize as “Truth.” I can do it in a far less polite fashion if you insist on continuing this. I will not tell you what to believe; I don’t think it’s asking much to receive the same courtesy in return.
>Ann Coulter told the Truth to someone who didn’t want to hear it.
So you say. I reject this as well. If I’m wrong I’ll have no problem admitting it when the time comes. For now I’m quite confident and secure in my beliefs. And you can put me down with him if you must as someone who doesn’t want to hear it, either.
>Now many here on FR have turned on Ann Coulter.
You’d think that those continuing to defend her might begin to wonder why at some point. And I heard Savage say on the radio that she is anti-semitic to her core.
>This is why many Jews vote Democrat. They vote against themselves because they don’t like Christians.
Absurd. I’d say the actual reason is because they like to think that what seem to be the best policies and solutions to problems on paper, to them, will work in practice. What some of us choose to believe, is that what works in theory does not work in practice. Which is something that has a heck of a lot more to do with conservatism, than trying to plug a political book by saying that the country would be a better place if Jews converted to Christianity.
>A real Christian is the Jews best friend.
What’s a real Christian? You may find this difficult to believe, but some of us like ‘Christians’ better than some types of Christians like other types of Christians.
>Israel won’t find a stronger ally than Evangelical Christians.
I don’t disagree.
>You have no need to fear a Christian holding you down forcing you to get Baptized as a Christian.
Who said I fear any such thing? It doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to be irritated when I hear these sorts of views expressed. But it happens, and we deal with it as a matter of course. Again—I prefer to keep my spirituality to myself. You want to go around trying to convince those like me that our beliefs are flawed? Good luck with that. You may find more sympathetic ears elsewhere. Like I said, I’m not interested.
>Your argument is with God because you can’t give a good reason you should be saved other than you believe you are as “good” as anybody.
I’m not interested in being ‘saved.’ Nor do I make judgments on how ‘good’ I am. That’s for God to decide, not me.
Not you, either.
Colossians I
28We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. 29To this end I labor, struggling with all his energy, which so powerfully works in me.
Any questions?
You haven’t read what “Perfected” means in this context.
I heard her on Steve Malzberg and she was quoating and Deutsch spun it!
Ann Coulter was on explaining in her words
http://www.wor710.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=1063346
Judaism is not a missionary religion. We don’t seek converts. It is not like that.
Hey thanks for the link!
Thompson voted YES on obstruction of justice charges to remove Clinton from office.
Ann Coulter lied.
You’re welcome!
“then Christianity itself is anti-semetic. It specifically teaches what Coulter said, and always has. Go ahead, be offended.”
Semetic is a ethnic term. THere is no anti-ethnicity in the New Testament except for a comment by Paul were he said “All Cretans are liars” Perhaps they were though.
Christianity isn’t anti-Jew. The central figure was and is Jewish. The disciples were Jewish and continued to keep Torah and observe the feasts.
There are a lot of Messianic Christians that are VERY Jewish and VERY Christian. Gentile Christians are often very clueless about how Jewish their religion is.
Deutch makes an error when he thinks that a Jew who converts to Christianity stops being Jewish. The passover that G_d commanded Jews to commemorate annually forever is so obviously a precursor to the Gospel of Jesus that it’s amazing that people don’t “get it”
The Christian New Testament asserts the following intolerant view:
There is only one way for anyone (Jew or Gentile) to be in relationship with the (Jewish)god, that that is through relationship with the Jew Jesus who is the Jewish Messiah.
Doesn’t seem anti Semitic to me.
Zulu has it right. If you strongly believe something is true, e.g., a religion or global warming or whatever, then it follows that people who don’t share that view are imperfect in your eyes. Every left-wing democrat thinks republicans are imperfect or worse. So, Coulter’s comment, although dumb, is no different from what democrats say every day about their opponents.
Then you don't understand Judaism, because Judaism has no interest in evangelizing. I don't wish you were a Jew, but don't mean anything bad by it. It is not necessary to be Jewish to live a righteous life or go to heaven.
You're misunderstanding what "chosen" means in that context. Certainly no Jew believes that God doesn't favor the rest of the world. In fact, Judaism is one of the few religions that holds that non-adherents can go to heaven.
I am not sure where they stand on conversion.
Jews of all traditions generally discourage conversion, although the vehemence with which we discourage it tends to vary depending on the orthodoxy of the sect in question.
You "love" Jews...but wish they didn't exist. Gotcha...
I forgot to mention that the first two times you come to an Orthodox Rabbi he'll turn you away. The third try will get one entry into the process of conversion.
This is why I thought Ann Coulter's idea of converting them to Christianity was a good idea. While I might prefer the nearly one billion Muslims to convert to Judaism, it's just not logistically possible. Ann Coulter's idea of converting them to Christianity is logistically possible since you only have to approach the necessary authorities once.
Ann Coulter's good friend, Barbara Olson, was killed when that plane crashed into the Pentagon and she was very very angry.
She has feelings, too.
The promise given to Abraham was considered birth specific to his children and not universal. The understanding Christians have is that through faith in Christ and his redemptive works, we are adopted children of Abraham. Jews were never instructed by God to make disciples of all men. They were asked to keep the commandments and to see that those who lived among them kept the commandments. Christians however were told to make disciples by telling everyone the gospel. They are also instructed that the actual conversion is up to the Holy Spirit and not up to the Christian or the convert. Therefore, forced conversions of any type are contrary to God's word.
Ann's "fast track" theology is explained best by the following verse:
Galatians 3:
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[h]), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
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