Reid gets warm reception at BYU

The Deseret News ^ | October 10, 2007 | Tad Walsh

[Utah Binger]

PROVO — Some past prominent LDS Church leaders wrongly pressed conservatism on church members, U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday during a press conference at Brigham Young University.

The Nevada senator attacked President Bush and evangelical Christians while saying members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints need to worry less about abortion and gay marriage and more about health care, global warming, education and jobs.

Reid first spent 40 minutes delivering a well-received and sometimes tender BYU forum speech in the Marriott Center to 4,091 students, faculty, staff and visitors. He described a journey from an underprivileged, non-religious childhood in tiny Searchlight, Nev., to his position as the highest-ranking Mormon in American government.

"Democrats have not always been in the (church's) minority, and I believe we won't be for too long," he said.

He elaborated during a harder-hitting, 12-minute press conference. "The best missionary we have for that is George Bush," he said. "People are switching parties all over the country."

Reid said Ezra Taft Benson, active in very conservative politics before he became a president of the LDS Church, and Ernest L. Wilkinson, the president of BYU from 1951-71, were among past church leaders "who were very right-wing people politically."

[Utah Girl]

Reid made me sick with his speech. What an out and out fraud that man is. And the reception at BYU was not all that warm. Forums average about 6,000 attendees, Harry got 4,081. He received a small smattering of standing ovations.

I think the conservatives were trying to prove that they could be courteous to all speakers, regardless of their political views. Harry Reid just messed it up and made very inappropriate and wrong statements. IMO, I don’t think he will ever be invited back to BYU to speak.

[Utah Girl]

Reid even professed to being a card carrying temple goer. Hard to believe.

Anytime anyone makes a statement like that, the red flag goes up for me. He talked against a former prophet and a former president of BYU, and basically said the church leaders were wrong in emphasizing the moral issues of abortion and same sex marriage.

And then he talked about global warming and health care being much more important issues. You know that eyes were rolling bigtime in Utah.

[Utah Binger]

I am very disappointed that church leadership have not called him out. I am also very disappointed that Hatch and Bennett have been silent. You would also think that Jim Matheson who also claims to be an active member would have the guts to stand up and call him the idiot that he is.

Just my opinion.

[Elsie]

 What accusations? There have been none, and you cannot show me any.

 

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 I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 

 

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TEMPLE RECOMMEND QUESTIONS ASKED BY BISHOP

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days? (the 'other' churchs don't)

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church? (not in harmony with those 'other' churches)

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? (Yup; them 'other' churches again!)

 

 

[Utah Girl]

It is a fine line that we conservatives walk. I do not want to be like Harry Reid and the other dems. The liberals and their universities won’t invite conservatives to speak, and when they do so, there are major protests and jeering during the speeches. It’s not the style of the church leaders to call someone out. It is taken care of quietly.

As for Hatch and Bennett, unfortunately, they are part of the dumb Republicans who still believe that there is Senate collegiately. There is only the dems don’t return it.

I really have thought long and hard on how to stand up to these liberals and sheep in wolves clothing (like Harry Reid.) I did email NPR this morning. NPR said that it was a packed house for Reid’s speech and he did receive a standing ovation. It’s propoganda and lies and it is effective. Say a lie often enough and in some people’s minds it becomes the truth.

[Utah Girl]

Ever hear of Hugh Nibley? On outward appearance he would seem to be an ultra-Mormon in (falsely) disbuting Fawn Brodie's expose about Joseph Smith...but he was an anti-war type lefty kook when it came to national politics.

Source? Did you realize that Hugh Nibley fought as a soldier in WWII? Honorably. I grew up in Provo and know the family. I've heard him speak many times. You do not know what you are talking about. From a lengthy essay on his life:

At first light on 6 June 1944, the first of many Allied landing craft began hitting the beaches of Normandy. At Utah Beach, 12 men dangling from one of the emerging jeeps cheered their driver on as they surged up from beneath the surface of the chilly English Channel waters. That driver, an army intelligence officer with a PhD in ancient history from the University of California at Berkeley, was none other than Hugh W. Nibley, age 34.

While preparing for the invasion, Hugh had visited several antiquarian bookstores in London— walking out with armloads of Arabic and Greek literary treasures. He had also, on the sly, slipped a copy of the Book of Mormon into one of the 55 pockets in his regimental intelligence corps fatigues. Insights

Hugh Nibley was a brilliant man. Did he question everything? Yes. And through it all he stayed faithful to his beliefs in Jesus Christ and the truth of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. He did say things that made people uncomfortable. He also made us think. You always knew where he stood on issues. Did he like war? No. Did he speak out against some wars? Yes, but he did volunteer to serve. His son Alex Nibley wrote a book titled Sergeant Nibley, Ph.D.: Memories of an Unlikely Screaming Eagle. Alex Nibley and his father were going to write the last chapter of the book together. But Hugh Nibley died before that could happen. So Alex wrote it himself, writing what he thought his father would write. If you would like to read the whole interview on the book, it is Here. I've read the book and it is excellent.

[Saundra Duffy]

MINO (Mormon in Name Only)

[Utah Girl]

BYU did not cave to gays. Have you ever been tempted? That is what they were saying. Temptations in any form must be resisted, including sexual temptations for heterosexuals as well as homosexuals. Have you heard of the gay groups that go around college campuses to tell the “truth” about gays? BYU would not allow them on their property, and had several arrested when they stood on a corner of the lawn. (Of course, the gays were trying to make a statement.) I think a total of 28 people showed up to support them.

[Elsie]

 

Have you heard of the gay groups that go around college campuses to tell the “truth” about gays?

 

Truth??  They can't HANDLE the Truth!

 

Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

      More?

 

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape.....

Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

      More?

 

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape.....

[Utah Binger]

It’s not the style of the church leaders to call someone out.

In a world where we are all civil with slightly above average intelligence, that would be the way. In the case of the strident left wingers, they need to be handled head on with no quarter given. Reid has no shame, no civility and evidently no brain. To be so stupid as to go to BYU feigning his religiosity; actually bearing testimony is an abomination. He cannot be dealt with quietly.

[Utah Binger]

Read post #110. Meant to copy you in on that.

Point is, Reid is a liar. The leaders need to handle him just like any other liar. They used to call it excommunication. Niceness is not an option.

[Utah Girl]

Exactly right. We must overcome the natural man.

[tracer]

I would not be surprised if Reid someday is excommunicated for apostasy re: his evil speaking of President Benson and other General Authorities concerning their alleged "steering the membership of the Church in the wrong direction."

Does this Johhnie-come-lately (1988) MINO understand what it means to sustain a President Benson as "Prophet, Seer, and Revelator?"

By his own words he has admitted that it is his view that the Church is going in the "wrong direction," President Hinckley and the rest of the general leadership notwithstanding.

The Church most likely will not address this matter during a period of time when to do so could wrongfully interfere with national elections (including Reid's) and foment national controversity, but the Church never has observed a "statute of limitations" for spiritual transgressions and the resulting ecclesiatical disciplinary proceedings.

I have no doubt that "Brother Reid" will face eccesiastical justice at an appropriate time of his stake president's choosing. In the meantime, I hope that I do not have the misfortune of seeing his sour countenance in holy places in the Washington, D.C. areas, or elsewhere for that matter.

A seat in the massive Conference Center during General Conference is a courtesy and not a right with respect to visiting "dignitaries."

In the meantime, Orrin Hatch and other LDS legislators and other government officials and employees, BYU students, the Nevada electorate, and others should distance themselves from this dangerous, two-faced opportunist....

[meandog]

Thanks...will read it. Dr. Nibley was a brilliant linguist, as I’m sure you are aware...but he also was very anti-war in the 60s. He also opposed BYU’s dress code and actually encouraged students to dress like the smelly hippies of San Francisco of the era. And though, very much famous in ancient languages, he was no historian, IMO—what he did in response to equally brilliant Fawn Brodie’s well-sourced scholarship was reprehensible!

[GOP_Raider]

Wait I thought Dingy Harry wasn’t going there ‘til today?

And I’m flying to SLC this afternoon and I wanted to protest. This ruins my whole weekend...

[GOP_Raider]

Wait I thought Dingy Harry wasn’t going there ‘til today?

And I’m flying to SLC this afternoon and I wanted to protest. This ruins my whole weekend...

[sheik yerbouty]

Dingy Harry is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a tool of pc apparatchiks like Her Heinous, and her vile lot of socialist sycophants!

[Utah Binger]

Just go down to Murphy’s Irish Pub on South Main street. It’s full of union types who will all be defending the big dope.

Tell Marley the bartendress that Utah Binger the big shot art dealer in Southern Utah sent you in. She’ll probably have you removed post haste. Go easy on poor Rob the owner. He thinks because he was a union guy that he has to be a lib.

You’ll need to buy a membership for 5.00.

[Sybeck1]

Civility and fear of being labeled as mean-spirited on this and other fronts are a reason IMO we are in a minority.

[Utah Binger]

Forgive me for saying this, however I know a lot of “Phony Mormons”, meaning that they profess to be devout when in reality it is a ploy they think will help them in business and in the case of Reid, getting elected in Southern Nevada where a goodly number of very fine Mormons reside.

It appeared to me he was playing the same tricks on the poor unsuspecting unwashed youngsters at BYU.

I know this as I used to be one of them, having been accepted into the Peace Corps after serving a mission and being just as liberal as an impressionable youngster that was going out to save the world could be. Luckily in the meantime I met the girl of my dreams, married her and moved to San Francisco where I finally figured out what a liberal truly was all about.

I’m glad I got off the fence both in politics and in religion and found my truth in something else.

I do hope Reid gets excommunicated though I won’t hold my breath.