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Unions Frantic: Will School Choice Referendum Prevail in Utah?
Human Events ^ | October 9, 2007 | Phil Brand

Posted on 10/09/2007 8:33:14 AM PDT by vadum

No one says, “As goes Utah, so goes the nation,” but what happens over the next month in the Beehive State may well affect the prospects for education reform nationwide. Last February, Utah’s Republican Gov. John Huntsman signed into law an education voucher bill that promised to help the parents of Utah’s 512,000 public school students send their children to the school of their choice—public or private. The Parent Choice in Education Act was subsequently challenged and a referendum has put the issue before the state’s voters on November 6. A majority vote is needed to uphold school choice.

It’s estimated that the average voucher ($500 to $3,000 per child, depending on family income) will be less than one third of Utah’s per pupil expenditure in the public schools ($7,100). But when Utah parents use a voucher for private schooling, the state’s public school systems will still get to keep, for another five years, most of the state money that would otherwise go for the child’s public school education. Talk about having your cake and eating it, too. Still, as more Utah children are educated for less than one third the cost of public education, it could save state taxpayers more than $1 billion over 13 years.

Naturally, the teacher unions and other liberal interest groups are out in full force to repeal the measure by defeating the referendum. The NEA has funneled $1.5 million to Utah...and state and local NEA unions from Colorado and Wyoming to Ohio and Maine have contributed thousands more. A consortium called Utahans for Public Schools has added the political muscle of the Utah PTA, the ACLU and the local NAACP chapter to attack school choice. Radio and TV ads have been airing across the state for months......

(also referenced at http://www.capitalresearch.org/news/news.html?id=532)

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: educations; huntsman; nea; vouchers
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To: Sword_Svalbardt
The republicans have been undermining their own camp for years - just go ask Hatch and Bennett. All of them are losers in my book, and I know Bennett personally.

AMEN!

21 posted on 10/09/2007 9:10:09 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Piss off a liberal today, buy a gun.)
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To: vadum

Maybe they should ban the schools from unionizing or lobbying. Does any state do this?


22 posted on 10/09/2007 9:15:56 AM PDT by Ford4000
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To: vadum
I hope this passes and catches on in Utah and then across the nation, big time. There are many good teachers in the public school systems, however, here in NC, the large metro school districts have become notoriously bloated with "needed administrators" all through and through who do nothing but suck up the tax dollars in the form of padded salaries.

The 'school of thought' these days by public educators is about as far away as from teaching the basics to kids as it can get.

SO, with one of the highest per capita dollars per student, why is it that more money doesn't increase student performance and graduation rates?

23 posted on 10/09/2007 9:22:55 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: vadum
I have three basic wishes for America, i.e. three things I'd like to see happen on a single day about a month prior to the 08 elections:


24 posted on 10/09/2007 9:25:09 AM PDT by jeddavis
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To: tennteacher

Actually, as a homeschooling parent, I found that a philosophy of education self-taught course consisting of reading JT Gatto, John Holt, Ellyn Davis, Rudolph Flesch, Charlotte Iserbyt, Beverly Eakman, Grace Lewellyn, Linda Dobson, Raymond & Dorothy Moore and others was invaluable for planning the education of my kid.


25 posted on 10/09/2007 9:34:36 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Southack

I don’t think private schools actually cost 1/3 of the amount public schools do. I think that the vouchers for private schools are for 1/3 the cost of edu/cating a stu3 dent in the public schools. The additional 2/3 will probably need to be made up in tuition paid by the parents, or some other financial aid.

2 concerns:

There will be many strange private schools popping up, that will be subsidized by taxpayer dollars. (Think muslim fundamentalist schools or wiccan schools)

Poor children will not have the money to pay the additional tuition, and will only have an option to attend public schools, which might be pretty awful once all the other students leave. (although I think this is not such an issue in Utah, because it is smaller and more homogeneous than some larger states)


26 posted on 10/09/2007 9:39:12 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: vadum
political muscle of the Utah PTA

Note that if you join the PTA at your children's public schools half of the money goes to the state and national PTA to fund activities like this.

27 posted on 10/09/2007 9:42:10 AM PDT by esarlls3
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To: George W. Bush
The voucher issue is one of the few that can draw black voters to the GOP. I don't know why we haven't pushed harder for it. Especially in D.C. when we had the congressional majority for so long.

I suspect an influential number of people who private school their kids don't want the influx of students from poor and dysfunctional areas of their city. Other people in middle-class areas already have good public schools and don't have any incentive to change the system. These are particularly susceptible to scare tactics about these decent schools losing funding through a voucher program.

28 posted on 10/09/2007 9:54:10 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: HKMk23

You’re right that regulatory burdens will multiply like vermin, but for every government regulation, there’s probably a sly way around it. For instance, perhaps voucher money could pay for a private tutor for a homeschooling co-op while leaving its instructional goals intact.


29 posted on 10/09/2007 9:58:06 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: ga medic
[I don’t think private schools actually cost 1/3 of the amount public schools do.]
 
IIRC, last time vouchers were on the California ballot, the actual numbers were in the ballpark of $2500 per year for Lutheran parochial schools vs >5000 per student for public indoctrination centers.  
 
[Poor children will not have the money to pay the additional tuition]
 
That's one of the NEA's lies. 
 
Supply and Demand.  Most NEA members probably skipped economics 101.

30 posted on 10/09/2007 10:27:50 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: George W. Bush
Utah is the new New Hampshire, a bellwether of conservative state government.

Yes, we're thinking about buying the motto "Live Free or Die" from NH.

:)

31 posted on 10/09/2007 10:32:33 AM PDT by Max in Utah (If your neighbors were trespassing, wouldn't you want a nice tall fence? With razor wire on top?)
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To: goldstategop

Labor unions have devolved into nothing more than parasitic big businesses.
This is as true of teachers unions as it is of the UAW, Teamsters and others.
Their primary interest and objective is to perpetuate and enhance their own existence.
They are greedy and hunger for power without much concern for the well being of the entities they feed on.
In this case they feed on the school systems, the students, and the teachers.

They take while everyone else gives.

Teachers unions have found a way to put taxpayers money into their own pockets.

Teachers unions are suffocating the education of children just as the UAW has suffocated the US auto industry.
Well meaning teachers that support teachers unions are dupes who sacrifice their ideals to keep fat cat union officials fat and in power at the expense of the students and the taxpayers.

Those who really care about educating children will be on the front lines pushing for vouchers and school choice instead of following the marching orders of union bosses.

Good teachers will always have a job but their union bosses only have a job as long as they can keep the students and the teachers on the plantation.


32 posted on 10/09/2007 10:39:53 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: vadum

Thanks very much for posting this article. I’m extremely interested in school choice news.


33 posted on 10/09/2007 10:41:21 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Max in Utah

Utah’s legislature is admirable. Seriously. I recall that even in the early Nineties, you still saw New Hampshire in that role but it slipped when it was invaded by liberal refugees from Massachusetts. You know, those locusts always swarm (hint: repel liberal hordes fleeing the Land of Kali).


34 posted on 10/09/2007 10:44:21 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: vadum

Bad news for voucher proponents. Teacher union money is running a lot of ads here against vouchers, and seem to be winning. Latest poll shows 49% opposed to vouchers and another 11% maybe opposed. Unfortunate, since our public schools are below average here in Utah. Our Republican governor, who is, at best, a timid conservative, has backed off from his initial support and is currently sitting on the fence on this issue.


35 posted on 10/09/2007 11:03:58 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: VxH

My wife works in a private Catholic school. I believe that the cost per student in close to 7,000/year. I know I pay far more than 2500/year to send my kids to Catholic school. I know there are still parish schools around that are less, but tuition for parochial schools is not inexpensive.


36 posted on 10/09/2007 11:35:50 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: tennteacher

Must’ve had a bad teacher/school. I loved my master’s-level philosophy of education classes. Really helped me understand the foundation of education....


37 posted on 10/09/2007 12:13:15 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: ga medic
[I know I pay far more than 2500/year to send my kids to Catholic school.]
 
I didn't say Catholic.
 
My wife was a Lutheran school teacher in CA at the time Proposition 174 was on the ballot in 1993. 
 
When the issue came up again in the CA 2000 election.  The NEA repeated the same old lies.


38 posted on 10/09/2007 12:17:19 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: ghost of nixon
[Teacher union money is running a lot of ads here against vouchers, and seem to be winning.]

IIRC, they spent over 12 million in CA on their disinformation campaign to kill prop 174 in 1993.

39 posted on 10/09/2007 12:25:15 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: vadum

Easy logic here -

the Unions oppose giving the parents a choice because they know that their “product” will NOT BE CHOSEN. So, by their vehement opposition, they are stating that their product is inferior.


40 posted on 10/09/2007 12:28:52 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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