Posted on 10/08/2007 7:29:07 AM PDT by Dukes Travels
It’s time for the fight against abortion to move to a new front. An honest look at the landscape suggests that the longtime goal of the pro-life movement – the banning of abortion – is never going to be achieved.
We need to try something else.
I believe a fetus is a human being who deserves protection under the law from being killed. But if the goal is to save the lives of unborn children – and it should be – we need to look at our primary line of attack and see what it has achieved, and what it is likely to achieve in the future.
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Again, you’re not listening. It’s not that I don’t favor it. It’s that I don’t think it’s going to be achieved.
What has been accomplished in 34 years of trying to change the law? Nothing. You want to keep on this path? God bless you.
I say the political arena is not where this fight is won.
Finally, I really don’t care if you give your imprematur to my pro-life bonafides, but when you accused me of being a libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter, I laughed like I haven’t laughed in a long time.
It tends to support my point that those who have become fixated, abortion-is-my-issue-and-the-only-issue people simply cannot see anything except through the lens of abortion, which is how someone like you could think someone like me is a libertarian.
No.
If you can't admit failure after forty years of murders, you never will.
Where do you see "a lot" of progress? Admitting the lack thereof is not a "tangent."
Backatcha.
The sad fact is our pro-lifers have chosen safety and stability over holocaust.
BTW, my issues also include guns (I was also a volunteer lawyer for NRA members), marriage, military, destruction of the Islamofascisti and others BUT the abortion issue unless and until successfully resolvedby prohibition of abortion NATIONALLY, is the top issue. If it isn't your #1, then go work on what you actually care about and stop posing as though you were a prolifer just because you say so and further posing as though you have some authority to lecture activist pro-lifers as to why they should surrender on the federal law and lecture Christians that it is somehow their Biblical responsibility to knuckle under to federal Caesar babykillers rather than destroying the babykillers.
BTW, I would have pegged you for a supporter of Julie Annie.
Ending abortion in Connecticut will not stop the trains from bringing the pregnant moms to kill their babies in NY. What you are advocating is surrender on the issue. At most, your idea might stop 10%, primarily by inconveniencing the killers.
If you think that minisolutions on a state by state basis over several centuries is the way to go, you won't be offended when we surprise you with a federal SCOTUS personhood decision.
Again, before you give prolifers advice, what are YOU doing to effectuateYOUR proposed solution. You have no more right to draft prolifers to YOUR "solution" than they have to draft you to theirs. Of course, we don't really know what "solution" you have been working toward or what you have done. Will we?
What does that mean? How about a list of pro-life accomplishment?
Face it: so long as you're depending on turning sinners into saints, abortion will remain legal.
Conversely, my proposal depends on exactly the same calculations as the founding of our federal government...balance through competing interest.
We have five right leaning or flat conservative justices, Partial birth abortion is gone. The argument has shifted in our favor. A full third of the Democrats voted to ban partial birth abortion. Remember we had thirty years of Democrat controlled House and Senate it’s gonna take a while. We are also fighting the MSM.
The “frustrated” can either pay their child support payments or keep it in their knickers or prevent the actual pregnancy in the first place in other non-homicidal ways. We don’t need such irresponsibles as allies.
Interesting. I’ll need to read this later.
2. AJ Antonin Scalia.
3. AJ Clarence Thomas.
4. AJ Samuel Alito.
5. Partial Birth abortion ban.
6. About 30 babies saved PERMANENTLY from abortion each time Rescue shut a mill down for the day (according to Planned Barrenhood's Alan Guttmacher Institute)
Sin is the cause and not the solution of abortion. I don't expect sin to disappear but I do certainly expect abortion to disappear.
Your proposal is surrender and effective endorsement of the worst among us who want to go around whining about men's "rights" to abandon woman and child and not to have to pay child support when they wanted to murder their own children.
I don't like Rudy Giuliani as a Presidential candidate, but I believe he has said that he would appoint Justices to the Supreme Court who would be open to overturning Roe-v-Wade. If he's the nominee I WILL vote for him, because there would at least be the CHANCE he would keep his campaign promise. I know for a FACT that Her Heinous will do everything in her power to keep abortion as widespread as it is now, and she'll be supported in that by the MSM. She will also be the one to appoint at least 3 Justice to the Supremes because I believe that if she were elected, Ginsburg and a couple of others would resign. They haven't done so yet because they don't want George W. Bush deciding on their replacements.
I support Fred Thompson, because I think he's the only one of the top three who most closely represents my views, and he has said directly that he would appoint Justices who would be willing to overturn Roe-v-Wade, because he thinks it was bad law from the start. He doesn't support a Human Life Amendment, but I believe that's from his experience with the Senate. He knows that a HLA won't pass Congress, in order to be placed before the people, and he thinks that having the issue go back to the States will work more quickly to save babies than anything else. We may never get abortion outlawed in all the States, but we can save as many babies as we possibly can, with restrictions passed my most States that, when passed now, are routinely thrown out by the Supremes because of Roe.
I don't see how you could possibly say that. Any and every gain we have made has been met by increased stridency on the part of the democrats, and our list of gains is pathetic.
You People are deluded.
We will never end Slavery!!
It’s been around for thousands of years!!
Just settle for letting the States Decide for themselves.
This isn’t an issue for the Federal Government.
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Just who do you think you are? You ally with babykillers to preserve the status quo?
Who are you to decide one American citizen gets several months post-coitus to choose parenthood, and another American citizen has to choose pre-coitus?
You go on and play about with woulda, shoulda, and aughta: I deal in "is."
Your proposal is surrender and effective endorsement of the worst among us who want to go around whining about men's "rights" to abandon woman and child and not to have to pay child support when they wanted to murder their own children.
So? What do you care if it makes a woman scared to have sex with this bum?
So you think starting all over with a new strategy is going to help. Twenty years from now there will be someone else with a better plan. The fact of the matter is we have to a lot more people on our side. It is always going to be a numbers thing, always.
One definition of "insanity" is the expectation of different results from the same activity.
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