Posted on 10/07/2007 8:01:14 PM PDT by JSDude1
President George Bush has repeated his belief all religions, "whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God" – an assertion that caused outrage among evangelical leaders when he said it in November 2003.
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Yes, I know all that. What I’m failing to see is where Jesus says, ‘I am God. Forget about that whole Father thingy.’ I accept the Father. I accept Jesus as my Savior. I believe in the Holy Trinity. But I believe that God is the Father and Jesus is his Divine Son, by whom we (as Christians) find the path to the one true God- He who shall be nameless and held above all things.
Thank you for your prayers.
No problem. BTW, Your tag is something I say almost everyday!
It wouldn’t make sense to baptise in the name of the son (which represents His sacrifice on the cross) if He weren’t God..would it?
His sacrifice would be meaningless unless he were God, since no none is perfect (has a perfect nature) except God, only God could live a perfect life (as Christ Jesus did), and be the perfect sacrifice for your and mine and everyone’s sins.
Only God could fulfill the Law pefectly (as Jesus did) since all human beings have broken the law, and deserve God’s wrath for them. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, and He was fully God!!!
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What faith are you? If you don’t mind me asking.
You may want to start with basics.
God exists. The “I AM”.
He reveals Himself to man in three persons. As God the Father, as God the Son, and as God the Holy Spirit.
One God.
No need to read anything more into that other than what He reveals.
All through out the Old Testament and as the Jews rewrote the Talmud in Aramaic in the Targums, He is also referred to as the MEMRA or the Word.
John speaks of the Word, which is identified with the Son, God incarnate, the Perfect Sacrifice provided by God for our salvation.
There are some advanced studies on this issue under what is known as the Hypostatic Union. The Divine nature and Human nature in one person, the Son.
Doctrinally, asserting God the Son is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit is sound as well as the simple statement of faith that Jesus Christ is indeed God in the flesh, God Incarnate.
It might also be noted that one of the few tests of evil spirits when discerning fallen from elect angels is to inquire if they agree God has come in the flesh. Those who deny the Incarnation are not elect. Those who attest to His Divinity are of Him.
If the view that we're all just praying the same god, is what GW Bush really believes, then perhaps all those Masonic/Illuminati conspiracies have something to them. The Masonic fertility cult believes that all paths lead to god, although they'll couch it in misleading Christian-sounding rhetoric.
While some folks will quickly say "the Bible says whatever you want it to", they probably haven't picked up the Bible themselves to read it and check it out.
This is the part that really gets me. Including polytheistic religions? That's nonsense. I can see how a person could argue that the Christian God and allah are the same based on historical commonalities, bit I don't think it's true, particularly when one takes the Holy Trinity into account.
Speaking speculatively. Presumably Adam was perfect prior to the Fall, otherwise what would the term mean? Had he not chosen to sin, he would have lived a perfect life. Any human who did not inherit sin from Adam would presumably have the same free choice to sin or not, and therefore the same opportunity to live a perfect live.
If you look at it this way:
1. There is one God.
2. If you pray to a god and there is only one God then all pray to the same God.
The reason the Apostle John wrote his Gospel was to establish the absolute divinity of Jesus. Granted, the concept of the trinity is hard to get one’s arms around and to some degree is beyond human intellect. I think John Calvin comes closest to explaining it in Book 1 of his “Institutes of the Christian Religion.”
That doesn't make any sense to me.
What beats me about the “Allah is not God” crowd is that exactly the same arguments apply to the Jews, who equally reject the Trinity and Christ as God.
More important than who people believe they are praying to would seem to be whether God accepts their prayers. And without some sort of direct revelation I think we’re left to speculation on that point. Although a good many around here seem quite convinced they have a direct line to God.
Yeah but the point, Sherman, is the he DID sin, and you and I probably would have done the same thing given the choice.
Only Christ has a perfect nature (being God, Himself) that could fully fulfull and obey The Law (God’s nature, and His perfect Laws), all others were bound to fail becuase of their temptation of both the flesh and the devil. Adam certainly secumbed to temptation (afterall temptation is of the flesh, and is of human desire), but even though Christ was “tempted in all ways” He ALONE stood againt IT, so we wouldn’t have to die, and go to Hell!
Isn’t the ‘we all pray to the same, one God’ view an idea that Ghandi originally suggested? I wonder how well that went over?
Actually the Old Testament speaks volumes which is not only consistent but is Prophesied and brought to fruition in the New Testament. Same God, and remember our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus IS JEWISH, so any appeal to normalize Judaism without the Son or without the WORD of God or the MEMRA is absurd.
I agree that as there may be over 350 names for Christ in Scripture, that a person from an Islamic culture, might indeed pray to God, the Father, by a mechanism which He provides, the Son, in a number of symbols, and therefore might indeed be saved. But make no doubt about it, Islam came over 600 years after Christ resurrected and was ascended to heaven and seated at the right hand of the Father.
There is NO other name under heaven by which man may come to the Father.
If that hurts the cultural feelings of some people, tough. It hurts the feelings of God Himself moreso, when people deny Him, grieve Him and Quench His Spirit.
The next time somebody appeals to comparative religion, think about how God must think when He became man in the flesh and sacrificed Himself, simply so we might have a perfect example of how to think about Him and have a relationship with Him by what He has provided at absolutely no cost to ourselves.
In a worldly sense, I’d think we owe Him something. Through faith in Him, I realize what we owe Him, He has already paid and He simply seeks for us to remain in fellowship with Him in all things.
Damn,... that not only seems reasonable, it’s an deal of a lifetime, for all eternity. No need for any of us to get mealy mouthed about it. HE LIVES!
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