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To: tiki

What beats me about the “Allah is not God” crowd is that exactly the same arguments apply to the Jews, who equally reject the Trinity and Christ as God.

More important than who people believe they are praying to would seem to be whether God accepts their prayers. And without some sort of direct revelation I think we’re left to speculation on that point. Although a good many around here seem quite convinced they have a direct line to God.


57 posted on 10/07/2007 8:39:50 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Isn’t the ‘we all pray to the same, one God’ view an idea that Ghandi originally suggested? I wonder how well that went over?


59 posted on 10/07/2007 8:41:00 PM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: Sherman Logan
"Although a good many around here seem quite convinced they have a direct line to God."

The entire purpose of Jesus' human ministry was to provide us with just such a 'direct line" to God. Otherwise original sin leaves us in a pretty hopeless position. "No one comes to the Father except through me".

69 posted on 10/07/2007 8:46:43 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: Sherman Logan

Sherman L, before thinking that “Jews also reject the Trinity”, please remember that Jesus Christ IS Jewish,...the King of the Jews.

Now, which perspective of the Trinity is more trustworthy? That of Jesus Christ, or that of those who deny Him?

Keep it simple.

Place it in His hands and let Him guide you as to what is trustworthy. That is the very meaning of faith in the Greek.


76 posted on 10/07/2007 8:51:29 PM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Sherman Logan
More important than who people believe they are praying to would seem to be whether God accepts their prayers.

God may well accept the sincere and well-intentioned prayers of people of most all religions. But your statement seems to imply that one's religion doesn't matter, as long as God listens to your prayers. I can't accept that. It is at odds with Christian doctrine, which I do accept.

87 posted on 10/07/2007 8:57:02 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Sherman Logan
“What beats me about the “Allah is not God” crowd is that exactly the same arguments apply to the Jews, who equally reject the Trinity and Christ as God.”

So you think the Torah and the Koran carry the same weight? How on earth is such a thing possible?

The 4500 yr old Torah is the word of God and is the very anchor of God to the earth. The Koran is slapped together 1600 yrs ago by some guy who appropriates an Arab pagan god of many pagan gods and calls him ‘the one true god’ in whose name all adherents must destroy or subjugate all infidels.

The New testament God doesn NOT contradict the Old Testament God. The pagan god Allah not only contradicts the old testament but he contradicts HIMSELF.

I suppose there are innocent supplicants who pray, and how God regards them I’ve no clue but followers of the angry, violent, destroying god of Islam aren’t innocent. They have the nature of their god before their very faces every time they open that book.

216 posted on 10/08/2007 9:31:25 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Sherman Logan

We’re not left to speculation at all - if someone is saved and they are praying to the one true God, then these verses make it quite clear:

Psalm 34:15-16 “The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.”

Psalm 66:18 “If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:”

Proverbs 15:29 “The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.”

Isaiah 59:1-2 “Behold, the LORD’S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.”

1 Peter 3:12 “For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.”


277 posted on 10/08/2007 4:18:24 PM PDT by RightFighter
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