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Death Penalty Case Puts Bush and Texas at Odds Over Mexican's Fate
ClickonDetroit ^ | October 7, 2007 | AP

Posted on 10/07/2007 3:48:59 AM PDT by ShadowDancer

Death Penalty Case Puts Bush and Texas at Odds Over Mexican's Fate

Sunday, October 07, 2007

WASHINGTON — President Bush, who presided over 152 executions as governor of Texas, wants to halt the state's execution of a Mexican national for the brutal killing of two teenage girls.

The case of Jose Ernesto Medellin has become a confusing test of presidential power that the U.S. Supreme Court, which hears the case this week, ultimately will sort out.

The president wants to enforce a decision by the International Court of Justice that found the convictions of Medellin and 50 other Mexican-born prisoners violated their rights to legal help as outlined in the 1963 Vienna Convention.

That is the same court Bush has since said he plans to ignore if it makes similar decisions affecting state criminal laws.

"The president does not agree with the ICJ's interpretation of the Vienna Convention," the administration said in arguments filed with the court. This time, though, the U.S. agreed to abide by the international court's decision because ignoring it would harm American interests abroad, the government said.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bushlegacy; crimaliens; hispandering; immigration; internationallaw; josemedellin; medellin; readdailykos; sovereignnation; voteclinton2008; worldcourt
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1 posted on 10/07/2007 3:49:03 AM PDT by ShadowDancer
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To: ShadowDancer

Jorge, the best el presidente Mexico has ever had.


2 posted on 10/07/2007 3:53:03 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: ShadowDancer

I can’t believe I voted for this guy. Twice.


3 posted on 10/07/2007 3:55:26 AM PDT by frankiep (Insert clever quote here)
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To: AnnaZ; SevenofNine
ping


4 posted on 10/07/2007 3:56:46 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: ShadowDancer
I am livid! What does Bush have going with the Mexicans? Or what have the Mexicans got on our president?

Bush is looking more and more like an internationalist — a one worlder

5 posted on 10/07/2007 3:59:22 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: monkapotamus

Is it November 2008 yet? Or better yet, January 2009? Because I can’t wait until this guy is gone. What a tremendous disappointment junior has been...


6 posted on 10/07/2007 3:59:36 AM PDT by frankiep (Insert clever quote here)
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To: frankiep
When you vote for the lesser of two evils - you still have only evil as a choice.
7 posted on 10/07/2007 4:02:03 AM PDT by buffaloKiller ("No liberal is my brother, under the skin they are Orcs. Serving and doing evil endlessly.")
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To: ShadowDancer

Why is President Bush so far up the Mexicans bum?
He and his buds must be making serious money off the unwashed uneducated amnesty seekers.


8 posted on 10/07/2007 4:02:23 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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Texas argues that neither the international court nor Bush has any say in Medellin's case.

as it should be, but out Bush

9 posted on 10/07/2007 4:02:59 AM PDT by sure_fine (• " not one to over kill the thought process " •)
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To: frankiep

That’s nothing. I voted for him 4 times. But a choice between Ann and Kerry...


10 posted on 10/07/2007 4:09:57 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Joe Boucher
Why is President Bush so far up the Mexicans bum?

I charitably used to believe that it was because he had an illegal nanny, and that he believes that every illegal is going to turn out like Nanna did.

These days, I think it has more to do with Boy's Town, the donkey show, and some photographs.
11 posted on 10/07/2007 4:16:16 AM PDT by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgur's farm in 1969.)
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To: frankiep
I can’t believe I voted for this guy. Twice.

I've had it up to here with Bush. He is a complete idiot with an inexplicable affection for Mexican criminals. He absolutely adores illegal immigrants and now this - a murderer.

12 posted on 10/07/2007 4:32:12 AM PDT by BearCub
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To: ShadowDancer
Texas argues that neither the international court nor Bush has any say in Medellin's case.

And they would be correct. Texas is going to tell Bush, tell the International Elite to pound sand. Unless, Rick Perry caves.

13 posted on 10/07/2007 4:38:42 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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Here's some more: "Medellin was born in Mexico, but spent much of his childhood in the United States. He was 18 in June 1993, when he and other members of the Black and Whites gang in Houston encountered two teenage girls on a railroad trestle.

The girls were gang-raped and strangled. Their bodies were found four days later.

Medellin was arrested a few days later. He was told he had a right to remain silent and have a lawyer present, but the police did not tell him that he could request assistance from the Mexican consulate."

OK, we have an illegal alien, who's lived mostly in the States. On the one hand, we are suppored to treat him just like an American Citizen, indeed, according to the DREAM Act, even better by giving him in-state tuition. On the other hand, we are supposed to treat him like a foreign national, have him contact his consulate, so he can lawyer up and not give a written confession.

OK, Open Borders folks, which is it?

14 posted on 10/07/2007 4:43:10 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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And if the great state of Texas went ahead and took care of the punishment phase of this case where the convicted criminal is lethally injected to bring about a state of death in them, who could possibly stop the state (which is really us) from doing so???

This is not a Federal issue...This is a state issue...

That person has had their day(s) in court, a jury of their peers (ehem, pardon the irony) has heard the evidence and convicted them, and they were sentenced per the guidlines per our law...

If our law does not apply to everyone equally, and the fact that this is a person of Mexican heritidge, why should they be afforded clemency or a pass for their crime???

If the law does nopt apply equally because of race, creed, nationality (while your in our country), sexual orientation, religion...

Then in my opinion it is all over...

We are a nation of laws, and that is what binds us all to the same fate if we break them...

The continued watering down of our laws, security and soverienty is going to destroy this country...Slowly and painfully...

Even though I voted for President Bush twice, the fact that he is just a chip off the ole world order crowd is no big surprise...Its just been mainly supressed during the first 3/4 of his administration to keep him in there till now...That has always been the plan, we probably didn’t think it could get this bad...

All of this designed to get us so desensitized to the inevitable solution the “internationalists” want the great United States to become...

Divided, and easier to conquer...


15 posted on 10/07/2007 4:46:11 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: frankiep

Lo siento, no hablo inglés.


16 posted on 10/07/2007 4:50:48 AM PDT by ShadowDancer ("To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funny bone.")
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To: ShadowDancer
Notice that the story says, "two teen aged girls" and doesn't provide further details of the crime. The girls have names and there are details of the gang rape and murder of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena.

Click here for pictures and details.

** Warning ** The details of the gang rape and murder are disturbing.

I wonder if President Bush could read the details of their demise and then look the girl's parents in the eye and still go to bat for the murderer?

The Murders of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena

17 posted on 10/07/2007 4:51:34 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Huh? Where do you get that Medellin is an “illegal” out of the Fox News story. It only says he was born in Mexico and came to the U.S. as a child. That’s a very, very different thing.

Which may be why people have trouble with this. Whether we like it or not, the U.S. signed the Vienna Treaty, and Treaties are equal to the U.S. Constitution under our system of government.

Bush, as a crappy gov. of Texas, may have wanted to uphold TEXAS law, but as even the failed President of the United States, I hope he from time to time remembers his job is to uphold the Constitution of the United States, where treaties trump state laws... even Texas ones.


18 posted on 10/07/2007 4:55:06 AM PDT by rpgdfmx
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Mexico later sued the United States in the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Netherlands, on behalf of Medellin and 50 other Mexicans on death row in the U.S.

This is not a nation I want for an ally or that I want anything to do with whatever. Build a wall and a 5-mile wide mine field inside it, and heave every illegal mexican.

19 posted on 10/07/2007 4:59:27 AM PDT by damondonion
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To: rpgdfmx

He himself informed law officals upon his arrest that he was not a United States citizen.


20 posted on 10/07/2007 5:06:14 AM PDT by ShadowDancer ("To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funny bone.")
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