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UK: Muslim medical students get picky (deciding that some topics in medicine conflict with Islam)
The Times (U.K.) ^ | October 7, 2007 | Daniel Foggo and Abul Taher

Posted on 10/06/2007 10:20:08 PM PDT by Stoat

Muslim medical students get picky

 

Some Muslim medical students are refusing to attend lectures or answer exam questions on alcohol-related or sexually transmitted diseases because they claim it offends their religious beliefs.

Some trainee doctors say learning to treat the diseases conflicts with their faith, which states that Muslims should not drink alcohol and rejects sexual promiscuity.

A small number of Muslim medical students have even refused to treat patients of the opposite sex. One male student was prepared to fail his final exams rather than carry out a basic examination of a female patient.

The religious objections by students have been confirmed by the British Medical Association (BMA) and General Medical Council (GMC), which both stressed that they did not approve of such actions.

It will intensify the debate sparked last week by the disclosure that Sainsbury’s is permitting Muslim checkout operators to refuse to handle customers’ alcohol purchases on religious grounds. It means other members of staff have to be called over to scan in wine and beer for them at the till.

Critics, including many Islamic scholars, see the concessions as a step too far, and say Muslims are reneging on their professional responsibilities.

This weekend, however, it emerged that Sainsbury’s is also allowing its Muslim pharmacists to refuse to sell the morning-after pill to customers. At a Sainsbury’s store in Nottingham, a pharmacist named Ahmed declined to provide the pill to a female reporter posing as a customer. A colleague explained to her that Ahmed did not sell the pill for “ethical reasons”. Boots also permits pharmacists to refuse to sell the pill on ethical grounds.

The BMA said it had received reports of Muslim students who did not want to learn anything about alcohol or the effects of overconsumption. “They are so opposed to the consumption of it they don’t want to learn anything about it,” said a spokesman.

The GMC said it had received requests for guidance over whether students could “omit parts of the medical curriculum and yet still be allowed to graduate”. Professor Peter Rubin, chairman of the GMC’s education committee, said: “Examples have included a refusal to see patients who are affected by diseases caused by alcohol or sexual activity, or a refusal to examine patients of a particular gender.”

He added that “prejudicing treatment on the grounds of patients’ gender or their responsibility for their condition would run counter to the most basic principles of ethical medical practice”.

Shazia Ovaisi, a GP in north London, said one of her male Muslim contemporaries at medical school failed to complete his training because he refused to examine a woman patient as part of his final exams.

“He was academically gifted, one of the best students, but gradually he got in with certain Islamic groups and started to become more radical,” said Ovaisi.

“You could see there was a change in his personality as time went by. During the final exams he was supposed to treat a female patient in hospital. He refused to do it, even though it would have been a very basic examination, nothing intrusive.

“But he refused and as a result he failed his exams. I was quite shocked and disappointed about it because I don’t see there being anything in our religion that prohibits us from examining male and female patients.”

Both the Muslim Council of Britain and Muslim Doctors and Dentist Association said they were aware of students opting out but did not support them.

Dr Abdul Majid Katme, of the Islamic Medical Association, said: “To learn about alcohol, to learn about sexually transmitted disease, to learn about abortion, it gives us more evidence to campaign against it. There is a difference between learning and practising.

“It is obligatory for Muslim doctors and students to learn about everything. The prophet said, ‘Learn about witchcraft, but don’t practise it’.”



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; dhimmitude; doctors; england; greatbritain; healthcare; islam; islamofascism; islamofascists; medicalstudent; medicalstudents; medicine; muslim; muslims; pharmacists; physcians; uk; ukmuslims; unitedkingdom
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To: Stoat

“Muslim medical students get picky (deciding that some topics in medicine conflict with Islam)”

Does blowing yourself up conflict with Islam? Some Muslim doctors apparently think that’s not a problem.


61 posted on 10/07/2007 9:17:30 AM PDT by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: pepsionice

But if all these Jihadi MD’s were made over into veterinarians, whom could I call to treat my swine when they fell ill with some epidemic disease?

Pigs get sick just like people, you know. And with a very similar range of maladies, exhibiting a similar set of symptoms. In fact, physiologically, the swine is probably most nearly similar to human beings, of all the animals commonly domesticated for agricultural use. Swine are very nearly as closely similar genetically to human beings as chimpanzees, and it might not be a stretch to envision humans as being the result of gene recombination between pigs and an ape-like creature.

Done by some extraterrestrial experimenters, or course.


62 posted on 10/07/2007 9:41:16 AM PDT by alloysteel (Ignorance is no handicap for some people in a debate. They just get more shrill.)
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To: reformedliberal

More like a shaman, with emphasis on the “sham”.


63 posted on 10/07/2007 9:41:23 AM PDT by castlebrew (true gun control is hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: I see my hands
Doesn't bother me. I don't interact with them.

Ri-i-i-i-ight, We always get to pick and chose the ER doctor who treats us when we are critially ill infidels. Especially under British Socialized Medicine, or Hillary!™ Care...

64 posted on 10/07/2007 10:01:22 AM PDT by null and void (I've embarrassed my species again...)
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To: Gorzaloon
Damn! I never really had to take Calculus after all!!!

Double Damm! That would have shaved years off my engineering education!

65 posted on 10/07/2007 10:07:02 AM PDT by null and void (I've embarrassed my species again...)
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To: parcel_of_rogues
Reminds me of those guys who wanted to learn to ‘fly’ planes but saw no need to learn to ‘land’them.

Bingo.

islam, where medicine become maliceine.

66 posted on 10/07/2007 10:11:17 AM PDT by null and void (I've embarrassed my species again...)
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To: alloysteel

Hmmmmm. Could they treat swine flu?


67 posted on 10/07/2007 10:13:20 AM PDT by null and void (I've embarrassed my species again...)
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To: Stoat; All

Another excellent example of the derangement and insanity that IS radical islam.


68 posted on 10/07/2007 10:18:02 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Very Proud Dad of LCpl Smoothguy242 USMC of 1/3 Marines, now on his way back the U.S.A.!!!)
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To: null and void

#60 for a laugh.


69 posted on 10/07/2007 10:53:32 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Fr had an article about a month ago where a muslim doctor let a Jewish patient die.

Sorry I don't have time to find it for you.

70 posted on 10/07/2007 11:07:49 AM PDT by SweetCaroline (***Your own healing is the Greatest Message of Hope to others!***)
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To: Mangani

“Care to put your money where your mouth is...”

You’re pretty touchy for a newbie. Perhaps you need to take a closer look at what’s happening in your country. In a place where you can now be charged with the crime of “hate speech” for offending someone’s religion, you life most assuredly has been disturbed. You will learn that nasty fact soon enough.
Don’t feel too bad. There are millions here in the States, as well, who are blissfully unaware of the dangers presented by uncontrolled islam. And they also will learn.


71 posted on 10/07/2007 11:16:36 AM PDT by beelzepug ("One should never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.")
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To: Lizavetta

Nobody acquiesced. They flunked them. Read the article before you start talking about the lack of manliness of these men.


72 posted on 10/07/2007 11:19:33 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Fishrrman

“Would you be treated by an Islamic doctor?”

In my perfect world, such a doctor would not exist.


73 posted on 10/07/2007 11:20:43 AM PDT by beelzepug ("One should never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.")
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To: Fishrrman

What concerns me most are those behind the scene who work in labs and read radiological reports. I have read that there have been reported cases of “negligence” regarding a few Muslim “professionals?” towards patients with Jewish surnames.

You take these tests and may never know the real identity of who actually made or didn’t make a diagnosis becaus it may have been signed off under a supervisor’s licensure.


74 posted on 10/07/2007 11:24:58 AM PDT by Tweeker
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To: Stoat
BUT BUT BUT...Wasn't at one time the Muslim world the most advanced in medicine and the sciences?

That musta been before they finished killing off all the infidel doctors and scientists.

75 posted on 10/07/2007 11:42:28 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: dighton

Wonder if Israeli physicians do the same thing?

/is a sarc tag really necessary here?


76 posted on 10/07/2007 1:11:26 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: reformedliberal

Their arrogance is beyond the pale.


77 posted on 10/07/2007 1:39:14 PM PDT by FReepapalooza
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To: dennisw; watchin; VOA; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ThomasMore; Publius6961; ...
A small number of Muslim medical students have even refused to treat patients of the opposite sex. One male student was prepared to fail his final exams rather than carry out a basic examination of a female patient.

Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

78 posted on 10/08/2007 2:41:52 PM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: ER Doc

Seems to me like I read a story about an independent pharmacistin U.S. that wouldn’t sell morning after pill and got into all kinds of trouble for it. If these docs were in U.S., what section in yellow pages would they advertise under?


79 posted on 10/08/2007 2:47:27 PM PDT by Grams A
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To: Stoat

I’ve known dozens of Muslim physicians and have never encountered anything like this.


80 posted on 10/08/2007 2:50:10 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (I will not try to BS xsmommy. I will not try to BS xsmommy. I will not try to BS xsmommy.)
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