How did we ever make a gif that goes the wrong way??
Posted on 10/05/2007 4:24:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Conservative evangelical leaders have long openly expressed dismay over the prospect of being forced to choose between two pro-choice presidential candidates. But now, a coalition of evangelicals has gone as far as to threaten to pull their support for the Republican Party if such a candidate is selected for the last stretch of the White House race.
Dr. James C. Dobson of Focus on the Family – who recently emerged from a controversy over a private email he sent criticizing Republican presidential hopeful Fred Thompson – says he and others in the social conservative coalition will not support Rudy Giuliani or any pro-choice candidate that the Republican Party picks for its presidential nominee.
“Polls don’t measure right and wrong; voting according to the possibility of winning or losing can lead directly to the compromise of one’s principles,” Dobson wrote in an Op-Ed in The New York Times on Thursday.
“In the present political climate, it could result in the abandonment of cherished beliefs that conservative Christians have promoted and defended for decades.”
Dobson said a candidate should support the “the sanctity of human life, the institution of marriage, and other inviolable pro-family principles.”
Giuliani, on the other hand, supports abortion and gay rights.
Some Roman Catholic leaders have also opposed Giuliani’s stance on abortion. An archbishop from St. Louis this week said he would withhold communion from Giuliani, a Roman Catholic.
Giuliani’s personal life is also another red flag for some conservative Christians. The former New York mayor has been through three marriages, two divorces and is estranged from his two children.
Yet despite these moral obstacles, Giuliani is said to have reached out, with some positive response, to more than a dozen pastors of large evangelical churches and Christian leaders including Jonathan Falwell, the son of the late Rev. Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson, according to the New York Times.
A recent Gallup Poll also found that the former New York City mayor had an overall favorable rating from churchgoing Protestants. Among the top tier Republican candidates, Giuliani rates third after Fred Thompson and John McCain among religious Protestants.
As the frontrunner for the GOP presidential nomination, Giuliani has repeatedly stated he can beat Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton – an appealing statement for those who see Clinton as a larger threat.
But to Dobson and others in the coalition, “Winning the presidential election is vitally important, but not at the expense of what we hold most dear.”
The coalition met Saturday in Salt Lake City after a larger meeting of the Council for National Policy – an exclusive conservative networking group. The smaller group included Dobson, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, and dozens of other politically concerned conservative Christians.
Then, you oppose politicians that support the slaughter of the unborn and even favor using taxpayers' dollars to do it? That have spoken before pro-abortion organizations like NARAL? That have opposed even a ban on partial-birth infanticide? That have marched in gay pride parades and promoted homosexuality?
When a Christian is faced with two candidates that are both are evil and hostile to God's moral laws, he or she opposes both such candidates.
But, I get the impression that if Stalin were running against Hitler and Stalin was running as a Republicans and the more conservative candidate, you'd vote for Stalin.
I find it almost divine that he walked out of the WTC tower minutes before it collapsed, killing the very people he had just been speaking with minutes earlier. Is it not possible that God had a plan for him that had not yet been completed? He missed his chance to run against her for the Senate. Maybe he is destined to run against her for the Presidency. Maybe, once again, God will use someone highly imperfect to achieve something quite wonderful.
Maybe he can beat her. There is a "likability" poll that is taken within days before the election and every time, the person who is perceived as more likable wins. Watching Rudy on tv for four years would be easier than listening to Hillary cackle and shriek, day after day. Wouldn't Rudy be the more likable person to go out for a beer than Shrillary? By the same token, Mitt is stiff and he wouldn't go out for a beer anyway. He's almost too perfect, an ice king. Fred Thompson seems old and sluggish. McCain seems ok, but his temper is unpredictable.
Maybe instead of all the posts about how imperfect our field of candidates is, we should be posting prayers that direct us to the one God wants to run in 2008, the one He wants to use for His purposes.
Once the war is won we can take on the rest of them.
You didn’t answer my question. You avoided the choice I gave you.
But, if you vote for Giuliani, you are voting to diminish or expel Christianity from both political parties. Both parties will be pro-abortion and pro-homosexual. Both parties will be left-of-center.
You're advancing evil by supporting a Republican hostile to Judeo-Christianity.
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LOL! potlatch!
Compare:
Hillary
Rudy
Fred
Mitt
David (reread kiddies - reread!)
Cast the bloat out of thine own eyes Dr. No
That isn't something I want to see happen. I want a conservative that could unite all factions of the party.
That Giuliani would cause such a split out to concern everyone here.
Well, if you think Hillary is not a Hitler and the Dems are not Nazi’s,, well,, there is little use to continue with this conversation.
Pullin the leverfor babygene. I would add, abolish the irs, abolish NEA (both!) and immediately cut the budget by 90%.
Tammy Wynette. Close though.
“A conservative with a conscience protesting the nominee by failing to vote for the Republican in an election where the Democrat wins has effectively voted for the Democrat. Anyone remember 1992 and 1996?”
In that case I would strongly suggest that everyone that does not want Hillary in the oval office had best do everything they can to defeat Trudy in the primaries.
Sure, maybe God's plan is to give him the perfect opponent for Thompson or Hunter or other real conservatives, so a true conservative can win the hard-faught nomination. It's as dangerous as it is useless to speculate on God's plan. God is still on his throne.
"It is not your business to succeed, but to do right. When you have done so, the rest lies with God." -CS Lewis
The Bible is full of examples of how God says to not compromise on righteousness for the sake of expediency (of the expected results or winning). God gives examples (in real life, in the past, using Israel as the example for all of us) of how it works — on the wrong side and on the right side of things (as far as God is concerned about it).
In these kinds of things (as presented in this election) when you have stark contrasts of what is Biblical and “righteous” as far as a clear-cut issue that is on the table, you cannot do other than the righteous thing, if you expect God’s blessings.
In this instance, if “loss” is going to be the result of doing the right thing, then this can also be seen as God’s judgement upon the nation for doing the wrong thing. And there are also examples of that in the Bible, too.
Regards,
Star Traveler
“Rudy is a conniving, self-serving, power-hungry whore of a politician.”
Gee SoCon, tell us what ya really think of him, lol!
You wrote: “Actually, I can not see anyone that has any true conservative values ever being able to vote for any democrat, much less to the lineup of criminals, prima donnas and nut jobs the democratic party is fielding for their current Presidential offerings.
Hillary or Obama vs who? I do care who, but I will be damned before I will vote for anyone that has aligned themselves with America’s flourishing communist party, the democrats.
I do not see any “republican crossover vote.” It isn’t happening. And that is a demonstration of personal values.”
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My response: I agree with you until that last sentence. As much as conservatives are claiming they will never vote for Guiliani or other RINOs, if faced with a RINO or Hildabeast, most will hold their nose and vote against the Beast. But I do not understand your comment that there won’t be Republicans “crossing over.” The general elections for President are usually decided by the “soft middle” of the voting public — those who are essentially independant and those not idealogues but nevertheless lean toward one or the other party. During the Reagan era, the “soft middle” was alienated by Carter and as a result, independants and “soft Dems” found themselves agreeing more with the GOP. The Iraq War has soured the current “soft middle” to the GOP, and the polls clearly demonstrate those voters are going to desert the GOP in 2008. There will even be disaffected moderate Republicans who will vote for the Beast. The smart money will handicap this race strongly in favor of the Beast. If there really are Republicans who will bolt to a conservative third party candidate, or stay home, rather than vote for whoever the Republicans nominate, Hildabeast will win the election. I expect most will, in fact, show up and vote for Guiliani if he is the nominee. The problem is, the soft middle is going to swing the election to the Beast.
You must be out of your mind.
Because the invalid was much more pure of heart,,, honest, kind and dear.
You haven't paid attention to the Kingdom of God, in the Bible, then -- have you? Take a look at what Jesus said, when He was here on earth and what the Biblical writers told us, under the guidance and inspiration of God. Also, see what Jesus said about the poor woman who gave all that she had, which was a mere pittance, compared to the riches given by all the others, and how Jesus commended her above all others, even with her mere pittance, that wasn't worth even spitting on (in the view of this world, today...).
Yes, I would say that you need to get the heart, mind and soul of Jesus inside you, in order to understand these things.
Regards,
Star Traveler
You are guessing wrong about most everyone showing up and holding their nose to vote for Rudy. It is this self-delushionment of the RNC and Rudy’s team that may ultimately kill the party.
If Rudy is the candidate, there will be a sizable percentage of normally tried and true Republicans who will not vote the party line.
And it really does not matter how many decide not to vote for Rudy. With elections being as close as they have been the last several cycles, any amount is too much.
Let’s hope that common sense and principle defeats the misguided support for Rudy.
We should purge the party of him.
In that case you're going to have to purge the party of an awful lot of Evangelical Christians in the process. And aftter that is all done, the Republicans won't be winning any more elections. They'll be hard pressed to even stay in office with all the Evangelicals either purged and/or bolting on their own. Good luck... LOL!
Regards,
Star Traveler
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