A Mormon in the Oval Office?

Washington Post ^ | October 4, 2007 | Robert Novak

[greyfoxx39]

When Mitt Romney appeared last week (via closed circuit from California) before the Council of Retired Chief Executives meeting in Washington, he faced kindred souls: rich Republicans who had managed big enterprises. Yet the second question from the audience was whether Romney's Mormon faith was hurting his quest for the Republican presidential nomination. He replied that about the only people who brought up his religion were members of the media, an answer that simply is untrue.

Romney is asked about Mormonism wherever he goes. In my travels, I find his religious preference cited everywhere as the source of opposition to his candidacy. His response to the former chief executives that only reporters care about this issue sounded like a politician's tired evasion. Romney was either too obtuse to appreciate his problem or was stalling because he had not determined how to deal with it. Contact with his advisers indicates that it's the latter.

[azcap]

I guess the people who wear this are evil in your eyes?

Pentagrams  (point up or down) are a very old symbol predating Christianity. Adopted by Christianity. Adopted by numerous nation states. Adopted by Free Masons. Adopted by Mormons. And not until the late 19th century adopted by (upside down) Satanist and other occult groups. Not until the latter half of the 20th century would an average American associate a pentagram inverted with the occult. Just like the rainbow (adopted by God in the Old Testament) and use for thousands of years has only in the last few decades been co-opted by the homo-lobby.

[colorcountry]

Blah, blah, blah.

Twisting again? YOU said you never heard a Mormons say it. I showed you a PROPHET who said it, and now the spinning begins....

...We see where Mitt gets it.

[Don Carlos]

Perhaps with the Church's explosive growth

Greg F in #41 states LDS hasn't grown in maybe two decades. DLongo claims "explosive growth". My understand is 12 million with ~ 6 million inactive or no longer consider themself LDS.

Anybody care to enlighten me?

[colorcountry]

Where is your alter-ego old man? Did someone forget to take the schizophrenia medicine again today?

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Who is spurring on this Romney-is-a-Mormon suspicion campaign? Hairy Reed [deliberate sic] is a Mormon, and people don’t seem worried about him.

[DanielLongo]

I never saw that quote. You showed it to me. I read it and the context in which it was written. Now you want to make it mean something it doesn’t. Kind of like your reading of the scriptures. Now I see where evangelicals get it.

[MHGinTN]

Your hate-filled, condescending, holier than thou attitude is duly noted. What would Mormonism apologetics be without Momron Apologists continuously trying to sow doubt toward the Bible (’as far as it is accurately translated’, but our novel —the Book of Mormon— is more accurate because it’s newer’) or Orthodox Christian beliefs (’the trinity isn’t in the Bible, it’s just a fabrication by men, like our false prophet fabricated the temple ordinances and eternal marriage pla)? Such nice fruit don’tchaknow. What a nice witness of what Mormonism does to the human soul!

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Evangelicals will never vote a Mormon for any office...it’s a matter of principle.

If Mitt wins the primary (somehow), I can imagine the headline: "Evangelicals' Anti-Mormon Principles Catapult Hillary to Victory!!!" in 840-point type.

[MHGinTN]

Didn’t say that, but that was a nice Mormon try to create a lie you can attack. Congrats.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

If he gets the presidency, will he give all the high-ranking cabinet positions to the Osmonds? (Lame joke, I know.)

I'd rather have Osmonds in the cabinet than neo-cons or Democrats (like Mineta). Enough reaching out to socialists.

[colorcountry]

It means exactly what Spencer W. Kimball and I said it did. The Prophet said it.

You seem to want to put words into my mouth. I did not say that the Prophet was said to be the only man that speaks for God, and that all others are excluded. I said he is the only man who speaks for “the Lord” in all things....exactly like Prophet Kimball’s quote. period.

Now, you might want to take issue because I said speaks for God, and YOU and Kimball said speaks for “the Lord.” We all know that in Mormonism, God and the Lord are two different people....or didn’t you dare make that connection?

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

If there is no data to prove otherwise, we must consider his candidacy on the basis of his qualifications to lead the nation, NOT on the basis of his choice of religion.

What if he were a Muslim </Devil's Advocate>

[DanielLongo]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the second-fastest growing church in the United States, according to the 2006 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches, published by the National Council of Churches. The Church reached 12,560,869 members worldwide at the end of 2005, with 5,690,672 in the United States.

First is Assemblies of God congregations.

As for worldwide...

A group of researchers headed by the Hartford (Conn.) Institute for Religion Research has been busy over the past five years conducting the most sweeping survey of U.S. congregational life ever completed. The study found that more than half of congregations are growing, those in the West more rapidly even than those in the South. The study also found that world religions (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Islam and Baha'i) are the fastest growing of all faiths.

[DanielLongo]

Did you have a point?

[DanielLongo]

So what is your point about a prophet speaking for the Lord (God) then?

[gathersnomoss]

Apology to you. We have the same objectives.

[Fishrrman]

I thought after Jack Kennedy was elected, this “religious test” for candidates was not an issue any more

The "religious test" will _always_ be "an issue". Indeed, it may become _more_ of an issue as the war with Islam progresses.

Question: Would you vote for an Islamic for high public office? At this time in history, are the beliefs and worldviews of Islamics (who are candidates for high public office) not an issue?

My own answer: religion remains "a test" for me. I would not vote for an Islamic under ANY circumstances, ever. I realize your own opinion (and the opinions of others) may be different.

- John

[colorcountry]

If you follow our threads back, you will see that it originated with Jimmy Swaggart. I said no Christian that I know ever called any man the Prophet of God, that spoke for God in all things.

In other words. Christians, while acknowledging that men do indeed prophesy, understand that God speaks to all who are born anew in Christ Jesus through the Holy Sprit.

We have the Holy Spirit, we don’t need no one true Prophet of God. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit trumps a Prophet any old day. Just like the New Testament tell us in Hebrews.

Hbr 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Or in the easier to understan NIV....

1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

[restornu]

just married them ‘for all time and eternity’.

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You foolish man you still don’t understand and that is a funny wording!

You just hear things and it is like a buzz word and you run with it!

[Lady Heron]

Do you think the WP will ever bring up Barak Hussein Obama’s Muslim past?

WP might not, but if he gets the dem nod, the every active political Christian group (including all of those radio and tv programs), every Conservative talk radio program, and papers not to mention conservative Churches will.

This guy does not stand a chance if he makes it to the general election.