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To: shrinkermd

Being that energy independence is one of the top three most important issues facing the nation, ethanol is a step in the right direction.


2 posted on 10/02/2007 8:02:23 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

Nuke power! Clean and plentiful. Just need to make it more practical.


3 posted on 10/02/2007 8:10:27 AM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: mysterio
ethanol is a step in the right direction

You are joking, right? I did not see a sarcasm tag, so I have to ask.

4 posted on 10/02/2007 8:11:32 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: mysterio
Being that energy independence is one of the top three most important issues facing the nation, ethanol is a step in the right direction.

Depending on who you believe, ethanol saves either an insignificant amount of energy or none at all. The energy required to produce and transport ethanol is roughly equivalent to the energy produced - no savings - just a big fat payday for ADM and corn belt farmers. Who in turn fatten the campaign war chests of our elected officials.

7 posted on 10/02/2007 8:14:48 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: mysterio

you can’t really do that by having the govt specifically target ethanol when the market could come up with real alternatives on its own


9 posted on 10/02/2007 8:20:22 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: mysterio
That could be fine for big efficient players like Archer-Daniels-Midland Co., one of the nation's biggest ethanol producers by output. ADM and other big ethanol companies probably can ride out the storm, even though they might have to scale back on their production. Smaller players may not fare as well, and may be snapped up by bigger survivors.

Beware Big Ethenol!!
13 posted on 10/02/2007 8:27:34 AM PDT by Proverbs 3-5
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To: mysterio
ethanol is a step in the right direction

Too many studies say that ethanol made from corn takes nearly as much energy to produce as it provides. Add in the costs of transportation, marketing, etc., and you've not gained anything.

The future is not corn ethanol, anyway. The brazilians don't use corn.

The future for America is coal and probably nuke.

16 posted on 10/02/2007 8:33:52 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: mysterio

ethanol is a step in the right direction?

YEAH, IF YOUR INTENT IS TO GO OVER A CLIFF!................


17 posted on 10/02/2007 8:34:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmosphere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: mysterio

“Being that energy independence is one of the top three most important issues facing the nation, ethanol is a step in the right direction.”

Not really, it requires subsidies, is land and food source intensive and barely breaks even on net energy production.

Nuclear energy, on the other hand, would immediately substitute for oil and coal usage.


20 posted on 10/02/2007 8:37:59 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: mysterio

Ethanol has never been about energy independence. It has always been about tax monies changing hands.

Corn based ethanol is too expensive to compete, corn is too precious to burn and it never really changed our net energy importation.

If you really want to be energy independent, you need to increase production and decrease demand. We have a 180,000,000,000 gallon yearly shortfall in domestic oil production.


43 posted on 10/02/2007 9:35:30 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: mysterio
As long as it's not made from corn at a cost of $7/gal. We need more nuke plants, more wind and more solar, not to mention less hedge fund greed manipulation on the oil and gas futures.

Oil companies will turn the screws on the thumbs of those in DC not to encourage alternative fuels....there are also a lot of energy saving patents not allowed to be used too because of 'market concerns'.

When you look at our technology and the corporate forces being applied, no real change will come for a while.

46 posted on 10/02/2007 9:40:54 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: mysterio

Ethanol burns 20% faster than gas,why would any sane person use it?.


48 posted on 10/02/2007 9:43:49 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: mysterio

I don’t see any advantage to the corn whiskey additive. In theis area we are forced to use gasoline that’s 10% corn whiskey. My gas mileage also dropped 10%. What’s the point?


71 posted on 10/02/2007 2:44:27 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: mysterio

ANWR would be a better step.


96 posted on 10/04/2007 4:33:11 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Michael Moore bought Haliburton)
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To: mysterio

Personally, I think ethanol was a corny idea in the first place. Actually, the first step to enenrgy independence is to tap our our own petroleum and natural gas resouces. They abound and there is no reason not to do it. Let the market place take care of the rest. It works every time.


100 posted on 10/04/2007 7:36:15 AM PDT by dooltotheend
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