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Russian Air Defense System Leaves Much to be Desired (Iran Dismayed)
American Thinker ^ | September 28, 2007 | Rick Moran

Posted on 10/01/2007 5:21:39 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

It appears that Israel's raid into Syrian territory in order to take out a nuclear facility, a chemical weapons depot, or a missile storage unit (depending on who you believe) also had one other side benefit; the raid exposed the brand new Russian air defense system bought by Syria and Iran to be useless against Israeli airplanes:

Information coming out of Iran indicates that the military there is very dismayed at how ineffective new Russian anti-aircraft systems were during the Israeli September 6th air strike on a Syrian weapons development facility near the Iraqi border. Syria and Iran have both bought billions of dollars worth of the latest Russian anti-aircraft missile systems. Apparently the Israelis were able to blind these systems electronically. Syria isn't saying anything, nor are the Israelis, but Iranian officers are complaining openly that they have been had by the Russians. The Iranians bought Russian equipment based on assurances that the gear would detect and shoot down Israeli warplanes........."

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: assad; iran; israel; moscow; putin; russians; sept62007; syria
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It is amusing that two terrorist countries got had by their principle supplier. Where else will they get their toys?
1 posted on 10/01/2007 5:21:48 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Considering Iranian backed Chechen Moslems are Russia’s festering sore, did Iran really think they would sell a state of the art system?


2 posted on 10/01/2007 5:29:24 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Anti-Bubba182

It might just be the russians purposely sold them junk to protect their own interests


3 posted on 10/01/2007 5:30:15 PM PDT by Popman
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I wonder how much of this story had been deliberately falsified? It might have not been aircraft, other weapons could have been smuggled into Syria via the Iraqi border. It does freak out the mullahs and the chinless optometrist, so that’s good. It just might be disinformation.


4 posted on 10/01/2007 5:31:19 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Time to sell them the upgrades.


5 posted on 10/01/2007 5:32:08 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Part of me suspects that Russia's been playing the huckster for many years now, pawning off their useless impressive junk to gullible petro states anxious for answers to West high tech. Recall as well the story of the Russian rogue scientists who sold Osama a fake suitcase nuke. If there really is a larger pattern at work here, this could provide some additional explanation to Russia's ongoing anti-US diplomatic stance: they don't want us to expose their shell game and derail the gravy-train (to mix metaphors).

It would be hopeful to think that the cat being out of the bag now, Russia will both lose this corrupting source of revenue and simultaneously no longer have this ongoing incentive to constantly run interference for petro terror states at the UN.

Hey, a guy can hope....

6 posted on 10/01/2007 5:34:17 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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Israel flew deep into Syria with impunity despite a bunch of new Russian anti-aircraft defense systems. I don’t see the disinformation angle here.


7 posted on 10/01/2007 5:36:17 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: RKV
I wonder how much of this story had been deliberately falsified? It might have not been aircraft, other weapons could have been smuggled into Syria via the Iraqi border. It does freak out the mullahs and the chinless optometrist, so that’s good. It just might be disinformation.

A poster on another thread said he thought that the air defense systems were ineffective because they had no targets. He thought that the Syrian facilities were destroyed by an American airborne laser system operating from far outside the Syrian borders. The "discarded" Israeli fighter auxiliary jet fuel tanks were in fact humped in by Israeli SPECOPS as a red herring, just to keep our advanced laser capabilities secret. It's an entertaining theory at least, although I don't know why we'd jeopardize a top-secret program when conventional means would work just fine.

8 posted on 10/01/2007 5:37:53 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Syria, Iran, North Korea et all got a major Kadafi wake-up moment...

and they know the Israelis got their new toy from us - now they all know who has the baddest toys...and the next best toys from Russia are useless...ooops

Game - set -

(All the MadMan's Blood and Thunder has turned to Thud and Blunder...

9 posted on 10/01/2007 5:39:25 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I wonder if the Syrians forgot to turn it on.


10 posted on 10/01/2007 5:41:05 PM PDT by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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What they said and what they actually did may be different, eh? Yep, there was a damn big explosion deep in Syria. How it was initiated is up in the air. No conspiracy stuff, just plain old military diversion is what’s at stake. Make the bad guys think their air defenses are for XXXX, and cause them grief. What we don’t know is hugely larger than we do know. “Leaks” (or plants) to DEBKA don’t count. Remember that Israeli newspapers pass a military censor.


11 posted on 10/01/2007 5:42:32 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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Iran indicates that the military there is very dismayed at how ineffective new Russian anti-aircraft systems were

Grin...message received.

12 posted on 10/01/2007 5:42:52 PM PDT by pfflier
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Think for a minute here, OK? Don’t just react. Yep, I’m glad bad things went splodey in Syria. Why tell the opposition that you have their number? Why give up an advantage? Misdirect the bastards if you can, and don’t give them clues. Make them pay for it? Eh?


13 posted on 10/01/2007 5:45:18 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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It might just be the russians purposely sold them junk to protect their own interests

Or sold them the junk system and us the remote off control?!

14 posted on 10/01/2007 5:51:08 PM PDT by omega4412 (Multiculturalism kills. 9/11, Beslan, Madrid, London, Salt Lake City)
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"..Why tell the opposition that you have their number? Why give up an advantage?"

That would be obvious is the air defense doesn't work.

15 posted on 10/01/2007 5:58:56 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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Or sold them the junk system and us the remote off control?!

That's plausible - after all, would Syria buy a system without a test run -

Russia takes the billions and slips us the neutralizer...

The chess pieces get moved constantly on a board we never see - which is good, or there'd be panic in the streets, every day/

16 posted on 10/01/2007 5:59:09 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

“Recall as well the story of the Russian rogue scientists who sold Osama a fake suitcase nuke.”

Was it made of pinnball machine parts? (Guess the movie this came from)


17 posted on 10/01/2007 6:07:58 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: John Jorsett; RKV; jeffers; Dog; Rokke; Allegra; LS; Marine_Uncle
"It appears that Israel's raid into Syrian territory in order to take out a nuclear facility, a chemical weapons depot, or a missile storage unit (depending on who you believe) also had one other..."

There is another reasonable possibility. It is entirely possible that a terror cell was deep in Syria. With or without tacit approval from Damascus I don't know...but it would explain why Syria doesn't see any of its own wares destroyed (at least, that's what Syria is saying in public).

So Zawahiri was in Syria? Bekkaa Valley or NorthEast Syria near Iraq?

Would that really be out of the question?

Israel found out, struck, and now Syria and Iran are struck dumb. Their air defenses failed. Their anti-American agents dead.

It's a plausible theory...

18 posted on 10/01/2007 6:08:23 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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Syria isn't saying anything, nor are the Israelis, but Iranian officers are complaining openly that they have been had by the Russians,. The Iranians bought Russian equipment based on assurances that the gear would detect and shoot down Israeli warplanes....


19 posted on 10/01/2007 6:11:12 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: John Jorsett

That theory seems to have come from outer space.


20 posted on 10/01/2007 6:12:58 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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