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(Fred's) Unique gay-marriage plan draws lukewarm response
Des Moines Register | 10/1/07 | Tom Beaumont

Posted on 10/01/2007 9:42:30 AM PDT by pissant

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http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071001/NEWS09/710010334/-1/NEWS04


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: constitution; duncanhunter; elections; fred; fredthompson; homosexualagenda; homosexualmarriage; pisspoorthread; pissyfit; samesexmarriage
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1 posted on 10/01/2007 9:42:34 AM PDT by pissant
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http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071001/NEWS09/710010334/-1/NEWS04


2 posted on 10/01/2007 9:42:46 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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Fred is still your 2nd choice, right pissant? ROFL


3 posted on 10/01/2007 9:43:42 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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To: pissant

Fred’s a big states rights guy, but he takes it a bit far on occasion. I am not gonna fault a guy if he really sticks to states rights on all the issues. Lesser power by the federal government is not a bad thing.


4 posted on 10/01/2007 9:46:00 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

There is only one choice unless he drops out or is run over by a bus.


5 posted on 10/01/2007 9:47:51 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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Constitutional scholars call Thompson's two-part alternative amendment ground-breaking and pragmatic, if confusing and politically unrealistic.

"This would be a very strange constitutional amendment, unlike any other on record," said Donald Downs, a University of Wisconsin constitutional law professor.

I am sure it is confusing them. It is about States rights and it is based in that weird concept called Federalism.

< / sarc >

6 posted on 10/01/2007 9:48:02 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Always Right

I don’t hold this against him, though it seems a bit convoluted. I’m more concerned with his NOT wanting a pro-life amendment


7 posted on 10/01/2007 9:50:06 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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That article is so flawed, I’m surprised that even you would post it.

Must be getting real desperate, huh?

8 posted on 10/01/2007 9:53:34 AM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true Friend. Israel.)
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To: pissant
I like Thompson's position on this. Why? Because it "sets up" the ban on abortion that would be the only effective one: One that relies on each state to ban it.

Interesting quote from the article, for all the Paulistas, McCainiacs and Rudyphiles out there: Arizona Sen. John McCain, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas have said flat-out that they oppose an amendment to the U.S. Constitution banning gay marriage.

I didn't bold Guiliani's name because that's probably obvious to anyone keeping up.

9 posted on 10/01/2007 10:03:55 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: papasmurf

All criticism of Fred is flawed. He’s always right, even if he just recently flip-flopped.


10 posted on 10/01/2007 10:11:39 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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I’d like to know where his concern for federalism was when he supported CFR.


11 posted on 10/01/2007 10:15:09 AM PDT by B Knotts (Tancredo '08!)
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The federal judges won’t allow the states to have their own laws.

Why is Thompson pretending that federal judges are going to change their ways?


12 posted on 10/01/2007 10:15:34 AM PDT by donna (Equal justice for U.S. citizens!)
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To: B Knotts

Or when he pushed for mandating term limits on states. It’s priorities. Fred’s aren’t mine.


13 posted on 10/01/2007 10:17:06 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: FourtySeven
Interesting quote from the article, for all the Paulistas, McCainiacs and Rudyphiles out there: Arizona Sen. John McCain, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas have said flat-out that they oppose an amendment to the U.S. Constitution banning gay marriage.

I can't speak to either McCain or Rudy, but Ron Paul's being consistent.

He doesn't believe that it should be the federal government's business. It should be left to the states.

I'll give him credit on that - too many conservatives are willing to give the Feds power it doesn't deserve when they think that power will be used in a way they like.

14 posted on 10/01/2007 10:19:02 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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Nonsense. The founders set up a very precise and necessary tool, called a Constitutional Amendment. It is every bit as constitutional as anything else in the founding documents. And you know damn well that if ‘gay marriage’ or abortion had reared its ugly head in 1787, we wouldn’t be needing an amendment for either.

The argument that amending the constitution is somehow against federalism is preposterous.


15 posted on 10/01/2007 10:26:09 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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Is this the old quote or is the a new statement.

This is the boneheaded Federalism argument that is already established as NOT working on this issue.

Fred is a lawyer and he knows better.

I would like to see where he is stating this NOW in light of the recent court decisions in Ohio and Califooooorneeeah.

The additional problem with this is that it does NOT address the issues of federal income tax, immigration, or inheritance on a FEDERAL level which can not be subjected to a constitutional attack.

Even a first year law student knows this alleged current stand is an absurd legal possition.


16 posted on 10/01/2007 10:27:21 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Date October 1, 2007

Thompson 25%
Giuliani 23%
Romney 13%
McCain 10%


Where's Duncan?

:-)



http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/weekly_presidential_tracking_polling_history
17 posted on 10/01/2007 10:34:48 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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The 800 pound gorrilla about the Federal Marriage Amendment is the fact that the FMA actuall codifies the STAUS QUO. It does not change or limit anyones marriage rights. (as long as they comply) It also prevents marriage from being a recreational sex test of two adults.

This is no different than when the first nine amendments were codified into the constitution.

The same bogus arguments against the FMA could easily be applied to Religion, Freedom of Speech, or the Second Amendment.


18 posted on 10/01/2007 10:36:04 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: TLI

Who?


19 posted on 10/01/2007 10:37:37 AM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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Is he fer the homos gettin’ married or ain’t he??


20 posted on 10/01/2007 10:38:22 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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